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    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

    "The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."

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    Racist: A person who is discriminative against someone because of there race, culture and background

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    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

    "The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries777777 View Post
    Racist: A person who is discriminative against someone because of there race, culture and background
    Yes, exactly.

    IA, You can call it xenophobia, if you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries777777 View Post
    Racist: A person who is discriminative against someone because of there race, culture and background

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    BZZZ. Wrong.
    Racist is someone who judges, stereotypes, or in any other way persecutes someone based solely on race.
    To do the same with culture means you're an entho-centrist, not a racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    Yes, exactly.

    IA, You can call it xenophobia, if you like.
    Oops sorry mate. No offence, wrong forum.
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

    "The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."

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    I wish I hadn't had that beer!
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

    "The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."

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    hey i just found an old friend called wikipedia! any uncertainitys you had should be answered here i think...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

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    A thousand definitions. Most people just go off their own personal one.

    I use the academic one I studied and operated off in college. Racism is the advocacy, implementation of, or justification of, systems of inequality and use of power which advantages a favored group and disadvantages others, formally or informally (i.e. through courts and laws or just by default through prejudicial practices by everyday people).

    In other words, it has a power component backing it up, or you propose that power (laws, government, punishment for crimes, access to jobs, whatever) should uphold your particular racist views.

    Racism just in the sense of "I don't like black people, I think they're stupid" is bigotry and prejudice, and a racist mindset and attitude. But when people break racism down to just being that, they're overlooking the much more important factor of institutionalized (either hidden, or obvious) racism, wielding power to advantage and disadvantage on the basis of race over a whole society, rather than just individually. Slavery was institutionalized racism. The Holocaust was institutionalized racism. These things dwarf "I don't like black people."

    Among colonial powers, it being very typical for indigenous people not to be able to testify in court against colonials would be a great example of this, as would apartheid and such. To a lesser extent (but still valid) would be things like harsher legal punishments or substantially higher conviction rates of one race for the same crime as another race.
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    Because we all know that wikipedia can be trusted over someone who is majoring in Anthropology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kekvit Irae View Post
    Because we all know that wikipedia can be trusted over someone who is majoring in Anthropology.
    well its usually right like koga said everyone has different opinions, but the basic outline as the name suggests, is being discriminative against someone because of race, that surely isn't up for debate?

    almost everything can be debated to have more than one side to it, but thats the just of it
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    The LAWFUL redistricting of states can be based on race to disenfranchise a race or ethnic group. Is that not racist?

    Racism takes many forms. Stereotypes come from somewhere though...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon View Post
    The LAWFUL redistricting of states can be based on race to disenfranchise a race or ethnic group. Is that not racist?

    Racism takes many forms. Stereotypes come from somewhere though...
    Absolutely, fixing voting structures so that people of a certain race have minimal or disproportionately smaller control over the outcome of the election than their percentage of the local population is indeed formal racism. Either by intent or by default. (Someone might just be doing it to "win", as say a Republican, but it's still engaging in racist tools to do so.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries777777 View Post
    well its usually right like koga said everyone has different opinions, but the basic outline as the name suggests, is being discriminative against someone because of race, that surely isn't up for debate?

    almost everything can be debated to have more than one side to it, but thats the just of it
    According to Scientific Theory, everything is up for debate. Even simple things such as definitions of what racism is. Comte was the first to take a scientific approach to society (a radical change from the philosphes of the day).
    I don't take issue with classifying racism, but I do with incorrectly identifying ethnocentrism as racism. In today's society, stereotyping based on culture ("Look at that Japanese commercial. It's so weird. Why can't they make something normal like we do?" or "Feh. Why can't Ethiopians just farm instead of being lazy? That would help the starvation issues if they just get off their butts and work.") is classified as ethnocentrism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kekvit Irae View Post
    According to Scientific Theory, everything is up for debate. Even simple things such as definitions of what racism is. Comte was the first to take a scientific approach to society (a radical change from the philosphes of the day).
    I don't take issue with classifying racism, but I do with incorrectly identifying ethnocentrism as racism. In today's society, stereotyping based on culture ("Look at that Japanese commercial. It's so weird. Why can't they make something normal like we do?" or "Feh. Why can't Ethiopians just farm instead of being lazy? That would help the starvation issues if they just get off their butts and work.") is classified as ethnocentrism.
    True. What happens is that people get lazy and want to leap from making a specific comment to painting something as a universal truth across a whole group. So the line does frequently get blurred. I mean, you might have someone legitimately making the observation of, let's say for instance, "I did missionary work in Uganda and seriously, the men there are lazy... I'm not trying to sound racist, but it's cultural there, the men are used to the women doing all the real work." But then someone else might go "YEAH, and you know the black people near my house, they're lazy too, they never work and get welfare." Just as an example of how people blur that line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries777777 View Post

    almost everything can be debated
    my point made earlier exactly.......
    isnt this 4 the backroom? one mans curiousity has turned into a debate, as you said everything is set up for debate...

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    I always felt that the simplest definition is believing one race to be intrinsically better than another.

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    I believe this subject will be better served and debated in the Back Room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi View Post
    Absolutely, fixing voting structures so that people of a certain race have minimal or disproportionately smaller control over the outcome of the election than their percentage of the local population is indeed formal racism. Either by intent or by default. (Someone might just be doing it to "win", as say a Republican, but it's still engaging in racist tools to do so.)
    Democrats do it plenty, as well. The entire system is based around this sort of thing...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon View Post
    Democrats do it plenty, as well. The entire system is based around this sort of thing...
    Aye. The Dems have made there living post-64 telling blacks that they cant succeed on their own...and they wonder why the hispanics are overtaking them even though they have been here for allot less time. Funny really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Aye. The Dems have made there living post-64 telling blacks that they cant succeed on their own...and they wonder why the hispanics are overtaking them even though they have been here for allot less time. Funny really.
    As interesting as that is.... I see no evidence that Dems make a concerted effort to knock white people off the voting lists so that a greater percentage of Dem votes are being counted than Rep ones. The opposite has quite a bit of evidence, though.

    By the way, it was the Civil Rights movement that asserted that rights on paper without economic opportunity made equality pointless. Not the Democratic Party. And I happen to agree with it. Tell some guy he's equal but can never get a job, or a loan, or start a business, and he's never going to be equal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi View Post
    As interesting as that is.... I see no evidence that Dems make a concerted effort to knock white people off the voting lists so that a greater percentage of Dem votes are being counted than Rep ones. The opposite has quite a bit of evidence, though.
    Thats not what I'm talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Thats not what I'm talking about.
    Then I have no idea why you said it because racism was brought up in reference to redistricting voting districts. Which usually translates into, trying to cut out constituencies unlikely to vote for you. This was done in Texas to create the "republican revolution" and essentially minimize the importance of minority votes and create a very dominant, long-term Rep majority in state government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi View Post
    Then I have no idea why you said it because racism was brought up in reference to redistricting voting districts. Which usually translates into, trying to cut out constituencies unlikely to vote for you. This was done in Texas to create the "republican revolution" and essentially minimize the importance of minority votes and create a very dominant, long-term Rep majority in state government.
    Gerrymandering! I misread your post I apologize
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    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Gerrymandering! I misread your post I apologize
    No probs.
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    The infamous distract in west Texas. And to think the Supreme court only had a problem with that ONE!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon View Post
    The infamous distract in west Texas. And to think the Supreme court only had a problem with that ONE!
    Where are the other problems?
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    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Where are the other problems?
    If I remember correctly parts of Houston looked pretty "if-y" and so did some of the districts in south Texas (from Corpus to the border etc).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon View Post
    If I remember correctly parts of Houston looked pretty "if-y" and so did some of the districts in south Texas (from Corpus to the border etc).
    Yea I know the Suburbs of San Antonio are in Ciros district. Those guys must be hurting
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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