Lusotannan Temples

**darkangel87** · 10-28-2008, 13:13

Hello, Forum

I recently started an EB 1.1 Lusotannan campaign. But in EB 1.1, contrary to EB 1.0, the weapon upgrades of the Nabia-temple(s) seem to have disappeared. For which reason have these upgrades been deleted? The upgrades were quite comprehensible, because the best blades of the ancient world were manufactured in Iberia...
Is there any experience upgrade for troops in the Lusotannan temples?

Regards, Marcel

**Foot** · 10-28-2008, 13:19

The Iberian blade may have been great, but I'm not sure how that would be related to the building of a religious building. Temples don't generally run a day-job smithy.

Foot

**Grriffon** · 10-28-2008, 21:14

Originally Posted by Foot

The Iberian blade may have been great, but I'm not sure how that would be related to the building of a religious building. Temples don't generally run a day-job smithy.

Foot

That would be a cool addition to EB2 though. Better or worse blacksmith upgrades based on region.

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · 10-29-2008, 00:31

Regional weapon quality is factored into the stats of regional units. Such as lethality for a given weapon type made in Iberia.

**Ludens** · 10-29-2008, 20:46

Originally Posted by darkangel87

Is there any experience upgrade for troops in the Lusotannan temples?

There isn't. The Lusotannan get a morale bonus from the temple of governors, but they can't build those and have to conquer them from other factions. It's in my temple guide (:shameless plug:).

**Grriffon** · 10-29-2008, 22:21

Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus

Regional weapon quality is factored into the stats of regional units. Such as lethality for a given weapon type made in Iberia.

Then how come the caetrata (sp?) that most all sword wielding lusotannans wield has a lethality the same as or lower than most other sword wielding infantry?

Disclaimer: EB Team, I'm not complaining.

**LordCurlyton** · 10-30-2008, 03:52

Compare it to swords of a similar size. I believe its lethality is higher than Camillan and possibly Polybian Roman swords, and I am pretty certain its better than the few other short swordsmen out there. Since a lot of the sword infantry you will see as Luso will be of the Celtic variety they will be wielding bigger longswords with a comparably higher lethality.

**Grriffon** · 10-30-2008, 16:05

Originally Posted by LordCurlyton

Compare it to swords of a similar size. I believe its lethality is higher than Camillan and possibly Polybian Roman swords, and I am pretty certain its better than the few other short swordsmen out there. Since a lot of the sword infantry you will see as Luso will be of the Celtic variety they will be wielding bigger longswords with a comparably higher lethality.

I'm pretty sure the caetrata lethality is .13 which is as low as a sword lethality can get, and is on par with some spear units even. Many swords have a lethality of up to .25, although as you say, these are often longswords. I'm sure that romani swords have at least as high a lethality, and while I'm not sure, I beleive some sword wielding romani units have the .25 sword lethality.

**LordCurlyton** · 10-30-2008, 20:23

Quick check of the swords reveals that the lethality is indeed the same as most other shortswords but it has the AP attribute, which others tend not to. The Romans don't get it, and I can't think of a long sword that does (for reference, the Milites Ilergeta have a 0.225 lethality longsword with no AP). So the Iberian shorstsword units will hit more often (AP) but not get as many "kills", though knocking down/stunning an opponent in game is effectively a temp kill as it prevents that unit from striking back for a bit, and they tend to die shortly afterward. Unless there are any longsword wielding Romans, they all get the 0.13 lethality shortsword. And if you want raw lethality go for cavalry spears/lances or two-handers. They typically have at least 0.33 lethality.
Also of note: the Iberians have higher-end lethality shortswords in any case. One of the Gallic ones have a mere 0.1 lethality, and no AP! Only the unique Getic/Thraikian weaponry is better, with massive lethality + AP. In your corner of the world, though, you have the AP edge.
Also Also of note: Remember that attack speed also matters too. You'll have a fast attacking unit in those Iberians, probably notably faster than the many Celtic, Roman, and Punic swordsmen you'll face. Spears, even when they have similar or higher lethality, tend to be slow attackers.

**Grriffon** · 10-31-2008, 18:42

Originally Posted by LordCurlyton

Quick check of the swords reveals that the lethality is indeed the same as most other shortswords but it has the AP attribute, which others tend not to. The Romans don't get it, and I can't think of a long sword that does (for reference, the Milites Ilergeta have a 0.225 lethality longsword with no AP). So the Iberian shorstsword units will hit more often (AP) but not get as many "kills", though knocking down/stunning an opponent in game is effectively a temp kill as it prevents that unit from striking back for a bit, and they tend to die shortly afterward. Unless there are any longsword wielding Romans, they all get the 0.13 lethality shortsword. And if you want raw lethality go for cavalry spears/lances or two-handers. They typically have at least 0.33 lethality.
Also of note: the Iberians have higher-end lethality shortswords in any case. One of the Gallic ones have a mere 0.1 lethality, and no AP! Only the unique Getic/Thraikian weaponry is better, with massive lethality + AP. In your corner of the world, though, you have the AP edge.
Also Also of note: Remember that attack speed also matters too. You'll have a fast attacking unit in those Iberians, probably notably faster than the many Celtic, Roman, and Punic swordsmen you'll face. Spears, even when they have similar or higher lethality, tend to be slow attackers.

Pedites extordinarii also use an AP sword, but other than that it appears you are right. While they are almost all .1 lethality, the iberian swords do all seem to be AP.