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    ...to blame bush for the bad economy?
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    From what i understand of economics we have boom and bust periods anyway, and it does seem that bush was unlucky enough to be in charge during a bust period, and of course im sure losing the twin towers had a little bit ofa negative effect on the economy also....

    All that said Bush made the situation worse through bad policy choices, tax cuts and increased spending, these 3 things combined with a bust period anyway, is a combanation for disastier...

    So, yes it is right to blame bush for the economy, just not completely...
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    Well, if you had a communist state and he controlled the whole economy, perhaps.


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    No 1 person is entirely at fault.
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    ultimatly we must blame ourselves for getting loans we couldnt keep, starting this thnig.
    i just think bush took the same route hoover did and thought this thing would blow over, and when it didnt, well..... we all know what happened.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by yesdachi View Post
    No 1 person is entirely at fault.
    Damn straight, who do you suggest, I say Husar never really liked him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Well, if you had a communist state and he controlled the whole economy, perhaps.


    I heard rumors about US citizens having to pay taxes, so it must be a communist state

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    I heard rumors about US citizens having to pay taxes, so it must be a communist state

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    I heard rumors about US citizens having to pay taxes, so it must be a communist state

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    Bush deserves blame. Clinon deserves blame. Bush I deserves blame. Reagan deserves blame. Carter deserves blame. Bankers deserve blame. Credit agencies deserve blame. Mortgage companies and housing builders deserve blame. Congress deserves blame. And, most of all, the American citizens deserve blame for becoming lazy and apathetic, not doing our utmost to root out our own corrupt officials and spending like there was no tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooahguy View Post
    ...to blame bush for the bad economy?
    Logically? No. Traditionally? Yes. The sitting president gets the credit for all the good stuff anf takes the blame for all the bad stuff that happens during his presidency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooahguy View Post
    ...to blame bush for the bad economy?
    Yes, partially, just as the Federal Reserve, the business cycle, banks, mortgage Companies, American investors, and congress are all to blame.



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    Yes Bush is to blame. For the policies of his administrations and for being at the top of the hierarchy of anglo-style freemarket fundamentalism - the real culprit.

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    Europe didn't have a credit crunch. Neither did East Asia. America had one. Then this spilled over to the global financial system and the cardhouse came crumbling down, dragging everybody along into the abyss.

    Our banks are doing okay. Nor do we live on credit the way Americans do. Yet we are dragged down into crisis and the ensuing global recession. Or, America had the party, we, the neighbours, get to clean up the rubbish the following morning.
    Beyond bearable too is that America borrowed the money when the dollar was weak, i.e., they got tremendous value. Since the crisis unfolded the dollar has shot up in value. So America gets to pay back its loans on favourable terms. In other words, not only are the neighbours cleaning up the mess, they find out that they are the ones who actually footed the bill for the party too.

    We are to America what the US taxpayers are to investment bankers. No matter how prudent we are about our own finances, we are the ones ending up paying. And no matter what happens, before or after the party, we pay for their caviar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Yes Bush is to blame. For the policies of his administrations and for being at the top of the hierarchy of anglo-style freemarket fundamentalism - the real culprit.

    [rant]
    Europe didn't have a credit crunch. Neither did East Asia. America had one. Then this spilled over to the global financial system and the cardhouse came crumbling down, dragging everybody along into the abyss.

    Our banks are doing okay. Nor do we live on credit the way Americans do. Yet we are dragged down into crisis and the ensuing global recession. Or, America had the party, we, the neighbours, get to clean up the rubbish the following morning.
    Beyond bearable too is that America borrowed the money when the dollar was weak, i.e., they got tremendous value. Since the crisis unfolded the dollar has shot up in value. So America gets to pay back its loans on favourable terms. In other words, not only are the neighbours cleaning up the mess, they find out that they are the ones who actually footed the bill for the party too.

    We are to America what the US taxpayers are to investment bankers. No matter how prudent we are about our own finances, we are the ones ending up paying. And no matter what happens, before or after the party, we pay for their caviar.
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    Yes Bush is to blame. For the policies of his administrations and for being at the top of the hierarchy of anglo-style freemarket fundamentalism - the real culprit.
    so no blame to the thousands of bad loans bankers gave? all of it is bushs fault?
    wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooahguy View Post
    so no blame to the thousands of bad loans bankers gave? all of it is bushs fault?
    wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooahguy View Post
    so no blame to the thousands of bad loans bankers gave? all of it is bushs fault?
    wow.
    I think you can blame the people who gave out or traded in bad loans, but I think you can place a lot of blame on the administration because they led the deregulation charge which helped make a lot of this possible, though they certainly aren't the only culprits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooahguy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis
    Yes Bush is to blame. For the policies of his administrations and for being at the top of the hierarchy of Anglo-style freemarket fundamentalism - the real culprit.
    so no blame to the thousands of bad loans bankers gave? all of it is bushs fault?
    wow.
    Not all of it is Bush' fault. On the contrary. I named as the real culprit Anglo-style freemarket fundamentalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Not all of it is Bush' fault. On the contrary. I named as the real culprit Anglo-style freemarket fundamentalism.

    I would say the vast majority was not Bush's fault.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hooahguy View Post
    ...to blame bush for the bad economy?
    Well, there's a difference between blaming the man and blaming the administration. I blame both. 8 years and we're in a recession, in two losing wars, etc.
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    This land is my land. This land is your land?

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    This land is my land. This land is your land?

    So... its everyone's land ? sounds communist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon View Post
    This land is my land. This land is your land?

    I've been worried about this for a while!!!!!! this is a patriotic song!!
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    Well, there's a difference between blaming the man and blaming the administration. I blame both. 8 years and we're in a recession, in two losing wars, etc.
    hm, i think were winning in iraq, but think what you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooahguy View Post
    hm, i think were winning in iraq, but think what you want.
    Why do you think that? Didn't Iraq just ask for 400 billion from us to get on it's feet after 5 years?
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    Why do you think that? Didn't Iraq just ask for 400 billion from us to get on it's feet after 5 years?
    The victory we are crafting may be somewhat pyrhhic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    The victory we are crafting may be somewhat pyrhhic.
    "Another victory against Iraq and we will be ruined"


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    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishFish View Post
    Why do you think that? Didn't Iraq just ask for 400 billion from us to get on it's feet after 5 years?
    it has a relativley stable government, and in a year or so and we can leave....
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