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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave View Post
    I've always liked you, its your vision of the world that I don't approve of. But you still have an open inventation to stay at my house and go Civil War Battlefield touring.
    Deal my friend, I still plan on doing that at some point in the not too distant future too! :)

    Nope, it won't be a Reagan-esque victory (check out the electoral maps from '80 and '84 - it was a complete blowout).

    Obama got elected by moving drastically to the right in terms of rhetoric, so I'd caution people who see this as America moving left or giving a mandate to liberalism.
    I think you are wrong, really wrong and I think unless the GOP look at realistically why they have got their asses handed to them, they will continue to get battered like this. Remember in the Mid terms they got kicked and then again this year they are getting kicked - that simply doesn't happen over there in your great nation. People don't like the GOP at the moment.
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    Jag- I trust you've seen the map of Reagan vs Mondale? That was the very definition of a massacre. This already has proved to be far from that big of a win.
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    Jag- I trust you've seen the map of Reagan vs Mondale? That was the very definition of a massacre. This already has proved to be far from that big of a win.
    That was his re-election, but ya I get your point - his victory over Carter was similarily emphatic.

    But still, I think there is a movement, which underpins this like that Reagan victory. I think it would be unwise for the GOP to think otherwise, or to think they simply were not Conservative enough or that the people will simply just come back to them. I say again, 06 the GOP got a beating and AGAIN tonight they are gettign a beating even WORSE. That never happens. But it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG View Post
    That was his re-election, but ya I get your point - his victory over Carter was similarily emphatic.

    But still, I think there is a movement, which underpins this like that Reagan victory. I think it would be unwise for the GOP to think otherwise, or to think they simply were not Conservative enough or that the people will simply just come back to them. I say again, 06 the GOP got a beating and AGAIN tonight they are gettign a beating even WORSE. That never happens. But it is.
    We've had this exact discussion in several thread titles now over the last few weeks but I think there's still a hefty level of denial in the air. On both the macro and individual level there still seems to be a preoccupation with attacking what's wrong with the Democratic party instead of asking what could be wrong with the Republican party to be causing this total collapse of support for their platforms.
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    Louisiana and Kansas called for McCain by CNN. Iowa called for Obama.
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    Cr - I think that article is compeltely right in terms of how Reagan did what he did - but much more than that he came at a time when people wanted de-regulation and lower taxes. Now the fundamentals of the political state are compeltely different - more - better - regulation and a degree of fairer, more taxes - the answer. Palin made Hilary voters turn TO Obama - the moderate, conservative leaning Dems got pushed away by Palin. Independents got pushed AWAY by Palin. That kind of Republican will not wash anymore with, that is what the GOP have to deal with.
    GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
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    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
    INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.

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    Once again, I can't help but feel a bit sorry for McCain. He got ****** by Bush in 2000, and ****** by him again in 2008.

    In truth, though, 2000 was McCain's year. If he had won the primary he would have won the general, and we would have had a much better President for the last eight years. But this was not his year.

    Condolences to those who strongly supported McCain, and I humbly request that any and all calls for impeachment wait until the new President has served at least a week in office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    Condolences to those who strongly supported McCain, and I humbly request that any and all calls for impeachment wait until the new President has served at least a week in office.
    I would feel sorrier for McCain if he hadn't hitched his wagon to the same people who character assasinated him. His re-embrace of almost all the scary fringes and the of the Republican base and the Bush ideological hardline further alienated him from the many Dems who used to like him quite a bit, myself included.

    Cr - I think that article is compeltely right in terms of how Reagan did what he did - but much more than that he came at a time when people wanted de-regulation and lower taxes. Now the fundamentals of the political state are compeltely different - more - better - regulation and a degree of fairer, more taxes - the answer. Palin made Hilary voters turn TO Obama - the moderate, conservative leaning Dems got pushed away by Palin. Independents got pushed AWAY by Palin. That kind of Republican will not wash anymore with, that is what the GOP have to deal with.
    I agree with this completely. The problem with the Republican party is a very simple one. They've played around too much with the bait of ideology and have become too dependant upon it in order to win or excite their base. Republican platform over the last 12 years or more has been repeatedly trying to shove the square peg into the round hole, over and over, thinking that the square peg is what made Reagan great or Republicans respected. It wasn't the square peg (be it deregulation, tax cuts, corporate pandering, a contempt for social services, a demonizing of the poorer 40-90% of Americans as just lazy and unworthy of compassion or assistance, a contempt for the international community) as much as having a square peg when the hole was square.

    Campaigns have become a sad repetition over and over of "Square peg! Square peg!" with no one stopping to ask themselves if the holes of our time are square.
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    No Congressmen/women from New England for the Reps... I mean, that is crazy.
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    GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
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    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
    INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    Jag- I trust you've seen the map of Reagan vs Mondale? That was the very definition of a massacre. This already has proved to be far from that big of a win.
    Yeh, this is nowhere near that race IIRC 500 and something against 10. The closest to that that Dems have ever come would have to have been Clinton.

    Edit: Actually I'm silly the best the Dems have done would be LB Johnson.
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