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    This just screams for intercultural dialogue we can really learn from eachother.
    What these men did is deplorable and has no place in society. LEN is completely right. Blaming an entire religon for these kind of things is very stupid. You fail to look at the politics and poverty which propels people to do this. Does Islam have some house cleaning to do? Yes it does but to villify an entire religon is laughable and to do so rejects many of the other factors which causes these things some of which the West has had a rather large hand in.
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    At least the crowd tried to intervene.

    My assumption is that it was that militia members who raped the girl and the best way to cover it up was to shoot the victim.

    I think we should sort at Afghanistan first though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    What these men did is deplorable and has no place in society. LEN is completely right. Blaming an entire religon for these kind of things is very stupid. You fail to look at the politics and poverty which propels people to do this. Does Islam have some house cleaning to do? Yes it does but to villify an entire religon is laughable and to do so rejects many of the other factors which causes these things some of which the West has had a rather large hand in.
    No I think it's quite safe to attribute it to the muslim faith, the sexual discrimination just varies, to dismiss the archaic nature of muslim society's, that is really laughable.

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    No I think it's quite safe to attribute it to the muslim faith, the sexual discrimination just varies, to dismiss the archaic nature of muslim society's, that is really laughable.
    Some muslim societies but not all. Just like some catholics like to touch little boys genitals and some evangelicals want to kill the homos. The reason the west has not been subjected to this is because we are on average better off and more educated. Improvised people always look to the LCD for hope.
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    At least the crowd tried to intervene.
    Yes but they were obviously not muslims .
    Also it is obvious the father and daughter were not muslims either because if they were then they would have known what the militia called law , unless of course they wanted to get the daughter stoned to death .

    I think it's quite safe to attribute it to the muslim faith
    Well thats a surprise isn't it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Some muslim societies but not all. Just like some catholics like to touch little boys genitals and some evangelicals want to kill the homos. The reason the west has not been subjected to this is because we are on average better off and more educated. Improvised people always look to the LCD for hope.
    And yet here we are having honor killings in western society's, makes you wonder, what drives them.

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    And yet here we are having honor killings in western society's, makes you wonder, what drives them.
    Very poor, uneducated cultures where people have very little in terms of material goods or opportunity in life, so instead, things like family honor and social respect become highly valued.

    When Europe looked like the Middle East (in terms of widespread poverty and backwards political leadership), it was pouring molten metal into people's bodily cavities to drive the devil out.

    You could say that religion is tied into these nasty things, but frequently religion also plays a hefty overtone role of reforming societies when they rise up and shake off these kinds of backwards practices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi View Post
    Very poor, uneducated cultures where people have very little in terms of material goods or opportunity in life, so instead, things like family honor and social respect become highly valued.
    People who were born and raised here. Tribes handed you a much better argument, reduces it all to a flashmob if you chose to consider it to be an incident. I don't think it's an incident.
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    Your mind is pretty predecided on this one Fragony, it comes up very frequently. If you feel the problem is Islam itself, go out and try to get rid of it. I wish you luck. I will be back here in the practical world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    People who were born and raised here. Tribes handed you a much better argument, reduces it all to a flashmob if you chose to consider it to be an incident. I don't think it's an incident.
    Maybe you should've done a better job of a assimilating them. This all comes down to power not religion. The power players in these countries or groups use islam as a vechile to keep the population scared wether it be in Holland or Somalia. The Koran is no more dangers than the bible.
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    A very sad story. I'm speechless
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    Nothing to do with the islam, well that's true. Nothing to do with islamic culture, that's a rather tough position to take.
    Actually it is you who has a very tough position to make , if something is nothing to do with Islam then it has nothing to do with Islamic culture .

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    Actually it is you who has a very tough position to make , if something is nothing to do with Islam then it has nothing to do with Islamic culture .
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    There's some stories that come out of somali that make me wish we had invaded and stayed in somalia. Abandoning them after a few deaths seems so trivial, we could have had change there.
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    No I think it's quite safe to attribute it to the muslim faith, the sexual discrimination just varies, to dismiss the archaic nature of muslim society's, that is really laughable.
    Dude. The homeland of the Catholic religion used to have laws that whether or not a woman was raped was contingent upon whether she was wearing tight jeans or a revealing skirt...

    Must be Muslim lawmakers in Italy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi View Post
    Dude. The homeland of the Catholic religion used to have laws that whether or not a woman was raped was contingent upon whether she was wearing tight jeans or a revealing skirt...

    Must be Muslim lawmakers in Italy.
    When was the last stoning in Italy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Ship View Post
    When was the last stoning in Italy?
    That's not the point. If you want to blame a system of faith for the level of sexism it imparts into society, Christianity has its own problems.
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    Koga you are going the wrong way about it , if you want to challenge the "its a muslim thing" posts simply ask what exactly is the sharia law on this sort of thing , what sort of provisions are there and how on earth could this incident be sanctioned under those provisions .
    When those posters come up with either a complete blank or some obvious fabrication then it demonstrates that they are talking bollox .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    Koga you are going the wrong way about it , if you want to challenge the "its a muslim thing" posts simply ask what exactly is the sharia law on this sort of thing , what sort of provisions are there and how on earth could this incident be sanctioned under those provisions .
    When those posters come up with either a complete blank or some obvious fabrication then it demonstrates that they are talking bollox .
    It hardly needs challenging... I just like pointing out the hypocrisy of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Ship View Post
    When was the last stoning in Italy?
    When was the last stoning in Turkey? It's a very large and very populous muslim country, so there must have been thousands and thousands in the 20th century...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Ship View Post
    When was the last stoning in Italy?
    "Honor killings are also part of Italy's own history, where the idea of "honor" was an admitted legal defense until 1981. Prior to its reversal, an article existed in the Italian Criminal Code that provided a reduced penalty of imprisonment of only three to seven years for a man who killed his wife, sister or daughter to vindicate his or his family's honor."

    So about 27 years ago...

    It would seem that wealth, education and technology are far more sure forms of defending women's rights then ancient texts... atheistic technology and consumerist avarice for teh win
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    Remove the 'all' and there is nothing left. Why so defensive?

    Look basically if i say, americans are idiots, its insulting to americans, you have to specifically imply when mentioning a group that you don't mean all the members of that group...

    White people are racist isn't a true statement because some white people are racist

    and to be honest all your statements taking one at a time don't look so anti muslim but when you seem to bring it up in every topic it does just make you look anti muslim... i can't be bothered with the rest...
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    I've said it before and I'll say it again. There is nothing wrong with most Muslims - but there is something wrong with the honour killings, with Islamism, the stonings. The treatment of women, the human rights violations, the treatment of rape victims. These are problems, whoever you choose to attribute them to.

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