Prop 8 to pass?

[Rhyfelwyr]

Alright, you want to give up all the tax benefits you will receive when you marry, and later, when you have children? And relinquish all your inheritance, property, insurance and medical decisionmaking rights? Somehow I think all of these arguments of convenience that marriage should be defined by religious tradition and not by law would force a lot of people to change their tune if it were applied to deconstructing heterosexual, legal marriage in western countries.

No, all the things you listed are required. But why should they be granted to those with a fetish over those who choose not to enter into sexual partnerships?

You think that gay marriage just lets any male make a medical decision for any other male? This was a really dumb point.

I'm sure it means more than that to them, but the government should not encourage perversions (you do acknowledge that's what it is?). It would mean a lot to TuffStuff if he could marry his toaster - but they just won't let him.

a) This is not a semantic debate about what should go in the dictionary. This is a legal battle over legal rights. Try to ingest that point because all the supporters of yes on 8 have repeatedly failed to do so and gone off on tangents about the traditional understanding of marriage as a cultural or religious concept. We're talking about a legal entity.

b) That is what civil rights movements are all about, spreading existing rights so that they equally apply to everyone.

a) Well unfortunately that legal entity is based on the traditional idea of marriage. And homosexuals should stop referring to it as 'gay marriage' if they wish to be taken seriously.

b) The constant comparisons to the civil rights movement is an insult to the suffering and prejudice that black people endured. Gays have the same rights as everyone else as far as I can see. Why should they get to invent new institutions for themselves (because if you recongize its not marriage then that's what they would be doing)?