America, 1700-1800?

[gamerdude873]

Sorry i've been away so long. Internet trouble.


This is my fault for not being specific enough, my bad. What i meant for head to head was with both sides attacking, with neither side having prepared earthworks. Monmoth COurthouse was after Baron von Steuben whipped the colonial line into shape in valley forge. Before that, the colonial line was a disgrace: read about the battle of long Island and new york: huge sections of the rebel line melted away when the the british charged with bayonets (Another thing that the colonials sorely lacked: bayonets, at least beofre the french began to supply them). However, when the americans had earthworks prepared, the Brits could have real trouble disloging them.

The Battle of Saratoga in 1777

In many ways it was the most pivotal battle of the American Revolution.

The Americans did outnumber the British forces by roughly 3 to 1 but Gates sat out most of the battle with most of the troops and only Arnold and Morgan went into the attack. Gates sat in his trenches and watched.

It was not just a military victory but a great political one. It brought Spain and France into the war against Briton.

I haven't looked into the specifics of how this battle was fought, so i disregaurded it as a hit and run battle where the americans knew and used the terrain to their advantage, and brits were weighed down by a hefty baggage train. Either way, it was very key to the success of the revolution.

[Fisherking]

It may not be what you are looking for but have a look at the Battle of Stony Point. An American force stormed and took a British Fort in a three pronged Night Attack.

They drew off part of the garrison with a diversionary attack and stormed the walls. No mean feat! Even if Washington decided they couldn’t hold it long and evacuated.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I guess I'm less disagreeing with you on facts and more on what you conclude from them, gamerdude. We both agree that American forces fought with mixed results varying on a number of factors from training to equipment to tactics. I would say that this is true of most European powers of the time - or at least, most European nations faced these ups and downs on the battlefield. I certainly think that the US shouldn't be able to invade Europe in ETW, but I wouldn't rule out becoming a major local player.

Also, good to have you back, I'm enjoying this discussion.