Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
True.



True.



OK.



I mean the elect as in the priesthood of all believers. Do you mean that not all those who are saved are predestined to that fate by God?



???

Apart from the last couple of paragraphs, are we even arguing?
We are agueing about predestination, but not much else. Mostly I want you to sit back and digest what your minister tells you slowly, because you clearly have the intelligence to do so.

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Romans is an interesting kettle of fish, because it can be seen in two seperate ways. If you believe the Bible is the WORD of God in it's entireity it has to be swallowed like the bitter pill that it is, if you believe the Bible is the best effort of 300 Bishops to sort out the mess of their religion then Paul is just the original Evangelical Bishop and his words can only be supportive of the Gospel, they cannot be used to prove doctrine.