President Bush Leaving Office More Unpoular Than Nixon

[Louis VI the Fat]

i love when ur sarcastic....

What if I'm not?


I say the world wasted its energy on petty rearguard arguments against Bush. While I have an eye for the big picture and the flow of the long undercurrents of history.

Reagan was intensely unpopular, yet we now acknowledge he was the beginning of the end of a communist storm that had been brweing for decades. Roosevelt was intensely oppossed, yet he brought an end to a long tide of increasingly powerful undemocratic forces.
Bush recognised the danger as well. And he has set all the parameters for the triumph of liberty.

History hasn't written his verdict about Bush yet...

[Marshal Murat]

Louis, if you want us to read Conservipedia, just link it.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Yes, Hooahguy, while maybe not being sarcastic, I was not entirely convinced myself that what i wrote was true. You picked up on that correctly.

However, I am not entirely convinced that I was wrong either. There is a possibility that in thirty years history will judge Bush in the way I outlined. There is a possibility that they are right about it too.

It is always good to challenge yourself. To take the other perspective. I still struggle with the neo-con project that dominated Bush I. What if they were right?
They named North Korea, Iraq and Iran as an axis of evil. They strove for regime change. There is part of me that thinks that maybe they were not wrong.
Islamofascism has been brewing for decades. Bush and the neo-cons made themselves their enemy. They recognised the danger, they named it, they met it physically and ideologically. Were they wrong?

After all these years, I am still struggling with it. I am still struggling with Iraq too. I can honestly not say with full confidence that they were wrong.

[LittleGrizzly]

After all these years, I am still struggling with it. I am still struggling with Iraq too. I can honestly not say with full confidence that they were wrong.

I know what you mean..... the talk of country building and replacing tyranny with democracys are very lofty goals that it is hard to disagree with, infact i would say they are fantastic goals for any foriegn policy, but what it comes down to for me with iraq is, wrong place, wrong time and wrong reasons. Apart from that i was 100% behind the thing...

[Lemur]

Ouch, just ouch.

With Russian tanks only 30 miles from Tbilisi on August 12, Mr Sarkozy told Mr Putin that the world would not accept the overthrow of Georgia’s Government. According to Mr Levitte, the Russian seemed unconcerned by international reaction. “I am going to hang Saakashvili by the *****,” Mr Putin declared.

Mr Sarkozy thought he had misheard. “Hang him?” — he asked. “Why not?” Mr Putin replied. “The Americans hanged Saddam Hussein.”

Mr Sarkozy, using the familiar tu, tried to reason with him: “Yes but do you want to end up like [President] Bush?” Mr Putin was briefly lost for words, then said: “Ah — you have scored a point there.”

[rasoforos]

Nixon was just a crook.

But Dubya has broken every record for purposefull immorality. (and all in the name of God)

Nixon was corrupt and had a greek vice-president and that is a recipe for disaster :P

But Dubya, being closely associated with the likes of Henry Kissinger who is considered a criminal and personna non grata in most of the planet didnt help either.


Simply put, the problem is that noone really believed Nixon. But people believed Dubya and he used Patriotism and God to make em believe. So it stands to reason that he is disliked more than Nixon to me.

[Banquo's Ghost]

But Dubya has broken every record for purposefull immorality. (and all in the name of God)

Lord knows I hold no candle for the Bush administration, but I don't think President Bush can be accused of purposeful immorality.

I think the president is a decent man whose belief system brooked no internal reflection or personal challenge. He was maintained in this rigid thought by more manipulative people around him. It should be remembered that on the day after 9-11, pretty much his entire constituency was baying for blood and revenge. It takes a strong man to resist that siren call yet still take effective action.

From that moment, he gave into every dark thought a conservative soul is prone too - control, pre-emption, demonisation. He was facilitated in this by a compliant and equally unthinking Congress.

Nonetheless, one has to remember always that he firmly believed that he was protecting the American people - which is his first duty as president.

He can be accused of rigid certainty and lack of empathy - a huge failing in any leader - but personal, purposeful, immorality is, I think, an imputation too far.

Nixon however, was indeed a crook and knew it.

[Ice]

What if I'm not?


I say the world wasted its energy on petty rearguard arguments against Bush. While I have an eye for the big picture and the flow of the long undercurrents of history.

Reagan was intensely unpopular, yet we now acknowledge he was the beginning of the end of a communist storm that had been brweing for decades. Roosevelt was intensely oppossed, yet he brought an end to a long tide of increasingly powerful undemocratic forces.
Bush recognised the danger as well. And he has set all the parameters for the triumph of liberty.

History hasn't written his verdict about Bush yet...

I hadn't really thought about that too much to be honest. I'll get back to you in about 10 or 20 years.

Louis, if you want us to read Conservipedia, just link it.

Bush was the best thing since sliced bread, god actually told bush to invade iraq, and apparently Charles Darwin was a monkey himself! This and much much more!

[Ronin]

Bush was the best thing since sliced bread, god actually told bush to invade iraq,

but God told the Pope that the war on Iraq was wrong....does this make God a flip-flopper????

God also told us to beat our swords into plowshares....

God...wrong on defense....wrong for America!

[Gregoshi]

Bush was the best thing since sliced bread, god actually told bush to invade iraq,

but God told the Pope that the war on Iraq was wrong....does this make God a flip-flopper????

Wrong conclusion Ronin. God wanted Bush to be a bad president.

[Ronin]

Wrong conclusion Ronin. God wanted Bush to be a bad president.

so God rickrolled Bush?

playa God!!! *respect*

[CountArach]

Louis, that was a marvellous post

[English assassin]

I'm a bit hazy on why was Nixon a bad president?

Watergate was bad, of course. Probably, really quite bad, in a way. I guess there was a certain lack of respect for the law and so on there. But then again, as far as I know he wasn't planning to suspend the constitution and make himself dictator for life? I'm not suggesting that presidents should positively be allowed to act illegally to get re-elected, but, hey, compared to Bush?

I think I prefer evil to dumb.

But in terms of what Nixon actually did for America, was he that bad? I'm afraid the only thing I know about him is he was in the saddle when you got out of Vietnam, and of course the trip to China. Neither of those seem bad things. I gather there are two views on detente now, but at the time I can't see that you could have said it was a bad thing either.

Can anyone help? What were his domestic policies like?