Animal rights thread

[Kralizec]

I think any introduction of "animal rights" as such would be a joke. It would be more practical to forbid mistreatment and develop standards for each sort of lifestock what is reasonable and what's necessary. It would be funny to see a prosecutor argue "you forced these animals to live in crampy quarters before you butchered them, you violated their rights!"

To be honest I think that most people like the idea of animal welfare in theory but wouldn't like paying 25-50% more for fish and meat to ensure a happy life for animals before they're dragged to the abatoir.

[Yoyoma1910]

You have a right to be eaten.


Anything you say can be used against you in a pot or in a pan.


You have a right to barbecue sauce.


I you request barbecue sauce with will be properly grilled.


You have a right to be delicious.


And I will make you so to the best of my abilities and years of training.

[Fragony]

I think any introduction of "animal rights" as such would be a joke. It would be more practical to forbid mistreatment and develop standards for each sort of lifestock what is reasonable and what's necessary. It would be funny to see a prosecutor argue "you forced these animals to live in crampy quarters before you butchered them, you violated their rights!"

Come to think of it, I agree.

Who here has ever gutted something or been in a butchers shop? Just asking.

Ya, normal and halal, not nearly as traumatising as what atpg has seen. With an able halal butcher it's not that bad, and a regular slaughter is completily painless.

[Tristuskhan]

Come to think of it, I agree.

Who here has ever gutted something or been in a butchers shop? Just asking.

Ya, normal and halal, not nearly as traumatising as what atpg has seen. With an able halal butcher it's not that bad, and a regular slaughter is completily painless.

Been working in chicken and pig slaughterhouses some years ago. Only a few weeks, just more than enough to hate factory farming. I advice anyone who denies animal suffering (many do....) to spend a few nights in such places. The smell of death and fear. I was also part of a few pig and sheep "homemade" slaughters (both Hallal -for the sheep!!- and not) and it's definitely much better if the butcher knows his job. Hallal is still disturbing since you can't hammer the beast.

OT, I almost bled myself to death with a chainsaw when I was still a lumberjack, so I can say that dying bleeding is... well... not so bad.

If you love meat (I don't), try to buy it straight from the farmer. Or have your own poultry. Or practice hunting.

[Strike For The South]

If you love meat (I don't), try to buy it straight from the farmer. Or have your own poultry.

Thats impractial and pretty impossible for most people though.

[Tristuskhan]

Thats impractial and pretty impossible for most people though.

It's a matter of choice. I won't eat meat if I do not know where and how the animal was bred and killed. So I seldom have meat.

And again, go work in a slaughterhouse or spend a few nights emptying factory poultry farms. It's a good lesson about life and death.

[Strike For The South]

It's a matter of choice. I won't eat meat if I do not know where and how the animal was bred and killed. So I seldom have meat.

That is your choice

[Tristuskhan]

That is your choice

Well, when you are broke enough to have to work in meat industry, it's not a choice...

PS: two months on a trawler got me rid of fish when I don't know who fished it. I'm almost vegetarian now.

[Goofball]

Animals (other than humans) have no rights.

But to echo a common sentiment in the thread: if there are two ways to kill an animal before we eat it, and one method is much less painful and traumatic, then that is the method we should use.

[yesdachi]

Animals are going to be eaten but I see no reason to treat them with cruelty. People that deliberately cause pain to an animal without reason shouldn’t have an animal and should probably be given the same pain they gave the animal. I make a clear difference between a pet, livestock, a wild animal, and a pest and all have their own acceptable cruelty meter with a pest being lowest but even then there is no reason to pull the wings off a fly when you can just smash it.

[CountArach]

Animals (other than humans) have no rights.

But to echo a common sentiment in the thread: if there are two ways to kill an animal before we eat it, and one method is much less painful and traumatic, then that is the method we should use.

But doesn't that statement itself presuppose that the animal has a right to a dignified death where one is available?

[JR-]

i would like to see the violent animal rights activists hunted down using the same methods they employ by violent human rights activists.

[Fragony]

Been working in chicken and pig slaughterhouses some years ago. Only a few weeks, just more than enough to hate factory farming. I advice anyone who denies animal suffering (many do....) to spend a few nights in such places. The smell of death and fear. I was also part of a few pig and sheep "homemade" slaughters (both Hallal -for the sheep!!- and not) and it's definitely much better if the butcher knows his job. Hallal is still disturbing since you can't hammer the beast.

Never worked with pig butchers, only cattle and poultry, cattle is treated well, the animal isn't killed before it is at ease, regulations, but it's also better for the meat. There are no signs of the cow before it, poor thing has no idea what is happening, BLAM over. Everything is cleaned, next cow. Chickens get an electric shock prior to getting their head cut of, these 10 seconds hanging at their legs isn't the nicest thing to do but I really wouldn't know how to proces as many otherwise. The butchering part is really pretty merciful and only a minor aspect of the misery, we should improve living conditions.