And the Winner Is...

[CountArach]

Nice picture, taken at the end of the Iraq war after the defeat of Sadam's forces and begining of the occupation and rebuilding of Iraq. That is mission accomplished is it not? The enemy was defeated, his country occupied, that is victory. Occupation and insurgency is not a continuation of the war against Sadam's forces. Or are you trying to suggest that Sadam's army wasnt defeated, that the insurgency is a continuation of the defense of Sadam's military?

The mission: Find WMDs.

Mission accomplished? Give me a break.

[Fragony]

The goal: Find WMDs.

The mission: topple saddam

Mission accomplished? Yessiree.

The goal: oops, sorry

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Oh and this is where you cry oil, hey thanks america! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f20_1226167703

[CountArach]

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The story about us being there to topple Saddam only came about after it was obvious that there were no WMDs.

[Fragony]

The story about us being there to topple Saddam only came about after it was obvious that there were no WMDs.

Hardly obvious. He destroyed the bulk of them after 1991 but what kind of evil dictator are you if you don't save a few for rainy days?

[Kralizec]

The message that is vindicated is that even though it was wrong to invade Iraq in the first place, once it's done it's morally required and possible to create a new state that's stable and more benign than Saddam's regime. Dubya was wrong, and the "defeatists" were too (that includes the Obama we saw until about a year ago)

[BigTex]

The mission: Find WMDs.

Mission accomplished? Give me a break.

Changing your definition of victory when one is disproved? Earlier you stated that victory was the passification of insurgent forces in Iraq.

Wmd's was used as the casus beli to invade iraq. The objective, and victory, is still the defeat of the current regime and conquest of it's territory. Conquering, occupying and then capturing the leader of the country is victory. Now controling said territory is another topic all together, but it is seperate to victory in the war.

Germany wasnt completely pacified when the time the surrender was signed, in fact it was a long time till it was. But that did not mean the allie's had not achieved victory over Germany.

The war was a success, an amazing success at that. Now though we have a different problem, keeping together a country that was only being held together by the brutality and torcher of a minority, and trying to heal the wounds caused. It's going to take a long time, and I hope that we are not so cold as to abandon them when we have destroyed the only thing keeping it in one piece.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Changing your definition of victory when one is disproved? Earlier you stated that victory was the passification of insurgent forces in Iraq.

Wmd's was used as the casus beli to invade iraq. The objective, and victory, is still the defeat of the current regime and conquest of it's territory. Conquering, occupying and then capturing the leader of the country is victory. Now controling said territory is another topic all together, but it is seperate to victory in the war.

Germany wasnt completely pacified when the time the surrender was signed, in fact it was a long time till it was. But that did not mean the allie's had not achieved victory over Germany.

The war was a success, an amazing success at that. Now though we have a different problem, keeping together a country that was only being held together by the brutality and torcher of a minority, and trying to heal the wounds caused. It's going to take a long time, and I hope that we are not so cold as to abandon them when we have destroyed the only thing keeping it in one piece.

We'll have alot of fun with Democrats in the White House. They've had 8 years of no-holds-barred, viscous criticism; as is their right.

They should prepare to defend the crown - it is a tough job.

[CountArach]

Changing your definition of victory when one is disproved? Earlier you stated that victory was the passification of insurgent forces in Iraq.

I only take that view when I feel like debating on somebody else's terms. That was not our goal and it never has been. it is just a convenient excuse to keep soldiers there...

Wmd's was used as the casus beli to invade iraq. The objective, and victory, is still the defeat of the current regime and conquest of it's territory. Conquering, occupying and then capturing the leader of the country is victory. Now controling said territory is another topic all together, but it is seperate to victory in the war.

Sooo... that would make it... our goal?

The war was a success, an amazing success at that. Now though we have a different problem, keeping together a country that was only being held together by the brutality and torcher of a minority, and trying to heal the wounds caused. It's going to take a long time, and I hope that we are not so cold as to abandon them when we have destroyed the only thing keeping it in one piece.

The invasion was a success. The war is not over and will not be until the last soldier leaves.

[LittleGrizzly]

Do you view insurance costs as a waste of money if there is no catastrophe?

The only thing i can think you mean is it was worth all the money to remove saddam just in case... which doesn't seem to convincing...