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    Well here's a real life situation for everybody:
    A woman's mobilie home was destroyed on sheriff's orders after it got stuck on a highway in Kentucky.

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    Sheriff's order destroys home
    SAYS HE HAD NO OTHER CHOICE TO CLEAR NICHOLAS COUNTY HIGHWAY BLOCKED FOR NINE HOURS
    By Mary Meehan - mmeehan1@herald-leader.com

    CARLISLE — There's little undisputed in this story, the tale of the tipped trailer.

    Frances Barton's single-wide, the one she had fully paid $5,000 for and was hoping to move to a little piece of land she was buying on a $250-a-month land contract, is now literally in pieces on Jim Gaunce's front lawn.

    And, everyone agrees, that leaves some 12 people — four adults and eight children ranging from 3 months to 12 years — facing Thanksgiving with no place to live.

    How, exactly, the mobile home came to this odd resting place is where the story gets complicated. On Friday, Barton hired a guy to put her house on a trailer and move it up U.S. 68 in Nicholas County. When the trailer broke down and the house blocked the highway for hours on end, the sheriff got involved.

    Barton, and the extended web of friends and family who lived with her, claim authorities didn't give them time to clear out a house full of furniture, much less clothing and the things that can't be replaced such as pictures, favorite toys and baseball card collections.

    Barton's boyfriend, Alan Gaunce, no relation to Jim, said somebody — he's not sure who — told him he'd be shot if he didn't get out of the trailer before it was toppled. Barton, a grandma at 35 with gold streaks in red hair, tearfully contends that Nicholas County Sheriff Dick Garrett "showed no respect for my home" when he ultimately ordered two tractors to ram the thing and set it on its side.

    On the other hand, Garrett, a wiry chain-smoker who ran for re-election with the slogan of "More 'Dick' in 2006," maintains that anybody who thinks it's a fine plan to pay somebody $200 to move their 25-year-old home, all their belongings, and a passel of pets with a farm tractor can't exactly complain when things go wrong.

    "I know I wouldn't pay somebody $200 to move my house and everything in it," said Garrett, noting that the group didn't have a required permit or escort. Basically, he said, he could have arrested the lot of them: Barton, her brood and the hauler. The charge, he said: "being ignorant."

    To be fair, the partial closing of U.S. 68 for some nine hours on a Friday night is pretty major in Nicholas County, where Garrett Tuesday was reviewing a Mayberry-like constituent call concerning a thwarted attempt to snatch a fresh cherry pie from a kitchen.

    He said he did all he could think of to salvage the mobile home, but had to get the road clear. "It's a federal highway," said Garrett, who stood in the rain from roughly 4:30 p.m. Friday until 2 a.m. directing traffic with the rest of his force, a single deputy.

    "I'm sorry it happened," he said, "I really am."

    But, asked what he would have done differently, Garrett said, "I'd have knocked it over sooner."

    Barton spent more than an hour Tuesday standing and crying next to a 10-foot-high pile of wooden walls and pink insulation, sometimes cradling her daughter's doll, one starting to show signs of black mildew after sitting in the damp remnants of the house. Over and over, she said, "Everything is gone. I've lost everything. It's all I had."

    Barton, who helps manage the mobile park where she lived, paid for her home with a settlement from an automobile accident. It's the first home she's owned by herself.

    She said she thought the man she hired to move her home knew what he was doing. Chris "Pancake" Meyers told her, she said, that he had more than 13 years' experience in hauling things and that he had the proper permits and insurance for the move. (She didn't ask to see proof of insurance or a permit, she said. Meyers could not be reached for comment Tuesday by the Herald-Leader.)

    About 1½ miles into the move, the tires popped off. Sheriff Garrett said he's heard that somebody warned the group the tires would be loose and they should stop the move. He said Barton insisted on going ahead.

    And soon found herself in front of Jim Gaunce's house on U.S. 68. Garrett said over the course of the evening, he did everything he could think of to get the house unstuck so it could be salvaged. But, he said, several of the well-intentioned efforts did significant damage to the house. For example, trying to push with one truck from behind while pulling from the front resulted in the hitch coming off and Barton's blue-walled bedroom being crushed.

    Lee Roberts, owner of Roberts Heavy-Duty Towing in Lexington, said his company was called in to help. "We tried to pull the trailer back on the road but couldn't without tearing it to pieces."

    When asked to push it off the road to clear the traffic flow, Roberts said he declined to do so.

    That's when, Garrett said, he called on Meyers and another farmer with a tractor to tip the trailer.

    He said he gave Barton and her friends and family at least two hours to get out what they needed and asked more than once if they had everything they wanted before he issued the order to push. Garrett said he didn't know how badly damaged the trailer might be, but thought he had no other choice.

    Barton said she collapsed before the final destruction and was taken away by a friend, but Alan Gaunce said Garrett told him the cleanup was "all up to you, baby."

    Garret said he has given Barton 10 days to clean up the mess. He's already talked to the county attorney about charges if the debris hasn't been removed. Even as looky-loos slowed while driving by the wrecked house and an increasing number of clumps of insulation littered Jim Gaunce's yard, Garrett said it's not the responsibility of the county to do the demolition or removal.

    Without money, Barton said, she's relying on friends to dismantle and move the trash. At least two of the men working Tuesday said they took off time from their jobs on horse farms to help and are working with hammers, a sledge hammer and a chain saw. The Red Cross paid for a hotel room for a few days, but now Barton is on her own. The family, a mishmash of real kin and unofficially adopted kids, teens and young adults, are crammed into a smaller trailer while Barton tries to sort through it all.

    Jim Gaunce, an amiable great-grandfather, watched most of it unfold from his rocker in a sunny living room with windows so spotless birds frequently thud into the glass while trying to fly through.

    He's sympathetic to both sides and willing, he said, to be patient as the mess is cleaned up. He worries that the insulation might blow into nearby farms, get eaten by cattle and do some major internal organ damage, putting a dent in someone's livelihood.

    But he knows one thing for sure. "Somebody," he said, sitting calmly as a chain saw roared, "is going to have to clean that thing up."


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    Personally, I've got mixed feelings, but I suspect this is perhaps the only time I'd support the police destroying a person's home.

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    Default Re: What should have been done?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    Personally, I've got mixed feelings, but I suspect this is perhaps the only time I'd support the police destroying a person's home.

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    Agreed. They took a risk having it being moved by a tractor and even more of a risk by keeping all there stuff inside. Sad story but I dont see anything illegal.
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    Its a tragic story, but at the end of the day she knew the risks involved, and didn't go to much effort to take precautions, such as get front and rear escort and contact the sheriff beforehand as she should have done.

    It sounds like the police did what they could to save the home, but the sheriff was right they couldn't have a major road like that getting blocked.
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    Trailer trash get a trashed trailer .
    Basically, he said, he could have arrested the lot of them: Barton, her brood and the hauler. The charge, he said: "being ignorant."
    Too right , what a bunch of muppets .
    If you hire some dumb redneck "haulier" called pancake who has loose wheels then don't be surprised when your carvan is as flat as a pancake .

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    Couldn't they have waited for a tornado? God hates mobil homes....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Sad story but I dont see anything illegal.

    I imagine moving an oversized load without proper permits or precautions fits into that category.

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    Glad to see law enforcement has a public service attitude on this one.

    This guy gets called to a cat in a tree and he shoots the cat to get it out.

    Law enforcement has a duty to protect property. If this were his mother's house or his own, would he have done the same thing? As public servants we must always follow the "my family" rule. Would I treat my family the same way? What if one of my family were in that burning building? What if one of my family was pulled over for speeding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma View Post
    Glad to see law enforcement has a public service attitude on this one.

    This guy gets called to a cat in a tree and he shoots the cat to get it out.

    Law enforcement has a duty to protect property. If this were his mother's house or his own, would he have done the same thing? As public servants we must always follow the "my family" rule. Would I treat my family the same way? What if one of my family were in that burning building? What if one of my family was pulled over for speeding?

    what if a member of my family is stuck in this traffic jam trying to get to the hospital in an emergency situation???

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    She should get off of welfare, get a real job and buy a real house made of stone!

    I bet someone will offer her a nice mortgage to build a new, real house as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    She should get off of welfare, get a real job and buy a real house made of stone!

    I bet someone will offer her a nice mortgage to build a new, real house as well.
    You don't know that she's on welfare, though I couldn't say if she wasn't either. Living in trailers in some parts of the U.S. is more common than you probably realize. In the fifties it was even a fad, discussed by John Steinbeck in his book, Travels with Charlie. She could simply be a waffle house waitress or something. And what would America be without those.
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    She could simply be a waffle house waitress or something. And what would America be without those.
    Less obese ?

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    the insurance will pay... none? Too bad.

    12 kids? Just kept having accidents I guess... better for teh gene pool that they left the lot of them in the trailer - and incinerated it.

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    the insurance will pay... none? Too bad.
    But she will sue someone , apparently that is her source of income apart from welfare .
    12 kids?
    the kids are not hers , she has one unofficially "adopted" child living with her and her own kids were taken into care .
    So this woman tried to hire a proper haulier who told her the trailer was unfit to move in the condition it was in , told her once it was fixed it needed to be emptied before it could be moved and told her that it couldn't be got onto the new site without specialist lifting equipment because the site had not enough room to drive it in...so she went with Pancake instead
    That Sheriff should have done the world a favour and told her to stand behind the trailer before he tipped it over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    Less obese ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    Less obese ?
    Nope, less tape worms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma View Post
    Glad to see law enforcement has a public service attitude on this one.

    This guy gets called to a cat in a tree and he shoots the cat to get it out.

    Law enforcement has a duty to protect property. If this were his mother's house or his own, would he have done the same thing? As public servants we must always follow the "my family" rule. Would I treat my family the same way? What if one of my family were in that burning building? What if one of my family was pulled over for speeding?
    We don't live in a perfect world and not all choices have a clear good and bad. Sometimes, the best choice will result in doing implicit harm to others. The thing is you can't follow the "my family" rule as public servants and still expect to make tought decisions of any kind.

    Lets say it was WWII, and you are a congressman. Would you want the US to enter the war after Pearl Harbor if hypothetically you had a family in Germany that had no connections with the Nazi Regime, but may be all killed due to civilian casualties from bombings??? Using the welfare of one person or small group to justify the punishment of everyone else can never work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TevashSzat View Post
    We don't live in a perfect world and not all choices have a clear good and bad. Sometimes, the best choice will result in doing implicit harm to others. The thing is you can't follow the "my family" rule as public servants and still expect to make tought decisions of any kind.

    Lets say it was WWII, and you are a congressman. Would you want the US to enter the war after Pearl Harbor if hypothetically you had a family in Germany that had no connections with the Nazi Regime, but may be all killed due to civilian casualties from bombings??? Using the welfare of one person or small group to justify the punishment of everyone else can never work.
    That's a bit of an extreme example, isn't it.



    The woman tried to illegally transport an oversized load on a federal highway.




    It failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TevashSzat View Post
    We don't live in a perfect world and not all choices have a clear good and bad. Sometimes, the best choice will result in doing implicit harm to others. The thing is you can't follow the "my family" rule as public servants and still expect to make tought decisions of any kind.

    Lets say it was WWII, and you are a congressman. Would you want the US to enter the war after Pearl Harbor if hypothetically you had a family in Germany that had no connections with the Nazi Regime, but may be all killed due to civilian casualties from bombings??? Using the welfare of one person or small group to justify the punishment of everyone else can never work.
    DA, for your information, is a former police officer. I think he knows what he is talking about.

    And anyhow, I'm fairly sure this woman did not declare war on the United States by getting her trailer stuck on a highway. Sure, she was stupid, but that's no reason to punish someone, unless you want to start beating the out of retarded kids to teach them a lesson. The guy could have still moved her trailer out of the way of traffic without destroying it.

    I think the problem here is the dude who ran for reelection on the slogan "More Dick." Anybody who runs with a slogan like that is a world-class dick, in my opinion.
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    The guy could have still moved her trailer out of the way of traffic without destroying it.
    Errrrr .....how do you move a stuck trailer without wheels in the dark in bad weather when the trailer is structurally unsound and there is very limited access due to the size of the level ground next to it and the amount of traffic already blocked by these idiots ?
    Joe you are talking about a major project which would not only be very expensive and very long , it would close the road entirely and still probably not manage without causing lots of damage to the trailer which by that stage was probably a write off already .
    Sometimes people have to pay the price for their own stupidity , this is a case where they did .

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    Is this real? What a story!


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