BNP Membership List Leaked

[Papewaio]

Heat rises over UK's web map of fascists

Right-wing extremists across Britain are bracing for violent repercussions after the British National Party's entire membership list was leaked on the internet.

And tech-savvy web users plotted members' addresses in red on a Google Map.

BNP leader Nick Griffin says the leak was an act of treachery by a disgruntled former BNP official, who may face jail time.

Ironically, the BNP is relying on Britain's Human Rights Act, which it opposes, to protect the privacy of its members.

The list, which is freely available on BitTorrent sites such as thepiratebay.org despite a court injunction, includes names, phone numbers, ages and home and email addresses of more than 10,000 BNP members, including children.

And the police response:

UK police forces and the prison service are scouring the list for serving officers, vowing to sack any they find, the Guardian reported.

LOL

So do fascist deserve privacy?

[Lord Winter]

As much as I love the idea of Karma I think it may end up turning into a inquestion instead. Afterall there is such a thing as due process rights for everyone, and as long as they havn't commit any major crimes or aren't bigoted racist I don't think they should lose there Jobs or whatever.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Politics are totally irrelevant to the jobs these individuals hold. I don't like the BNP, but as a legitimate political party, they have the same rights as every other party - and members of the BNP certainly have a right to privacy, unless their privacy is somehow forfeited after due process of the law.

At the same time, however...

[Tribesman]

This is funny , the list is published on the web by some BNP people who objected to Griffin not getting rid of the BNP people who had posted a list of anti-BNP people and their names and addresses on the web .

[naut]

Oh crap there's so many BNP members near where I used to live....

[Fragony]

So do fascist deserve privacy?

Of course they do.

Police response isn't funny it's scary. 1984 just called you forgot your lunch.

[JR-]

Oh crap there's so many BNP members near where I used to live....

haha, there are 10 in a town of no more than a 1000 near my parents.

[Fragony]

To arms, and doubt shall have no dominion, believing is not enough you must know that there is only one culture and it's multi, the snobby elite from 100% white neighbourhoods demands it. When things have changed for the worse the politicians allowing it will have other jobs.

[naut]

To arms, and doubt shall have no dominion, believing is not enough you must know that there is only one culture and it's multi, the snobby elite from 100% white neighbourhoods demands it.

Funny that the majority of the BNP members come from "snobby elite [...] 100% white neighbourhoods".

Although they deserve privacy, policemen and certain elements of the civil service shouldn't be allowed to be BNP members, so I'm fine with policemen, etc on said list being sacked.

Yeah, Furunculu5, scary stuff thinking that people you may have known or met were/are secretly BNP members, there are 22 near the school I went to.

[Scurvy]

I don't see why BNP members shouldnt be in the police force, or any other occupation, as long as they make sure it doesnt interfere with their job (they don't discriminate etc.)

everyone should be able to support + affiliate with a (legal) policitical party if they choose to, and do so in privacy if they want (I mean, should we ban police officers from voting for the BNP?)

[Ronin]

it´s the great fascist hunt of 08!!!

[naut]

I don't see why BNP members shouldnt be in the police force, or any other occupation, as long as they make sure it doesnt interfere with their job (they don't discriminate etc.)

everyone should be able to support + affiliate with a (legal) policitical party if they choose to, and do so in privacy if they want (I mean, should we ban police officers from voting for the BNP?)

I also have no problem with them voting for who ever they want. However, the problem with letting them join a secret political party is two fold, since firstly it may comeback to bite the government or police force in the due to bad press and secondly most people can't separate their political feelings from their professional life, myself included. If they are a member of the BNP and either the police force or civil service they should have to make it known to their employers first, since it can directly influence their work ethic/attitude, etc.

Edit: Any other job, they can keep it hush-hush if they want.

[JR-]

Funny that the majority of the BNP members come from "snobby elite [...] 100% white neighbourhoods".

i would say that is a very inaccurate characterisation of typical BNP membership.

[JR-]

I also have no problem with them voting for who ever they want. However, the problem with letting them join a secret political party is two fold,

do labour/cons openly publish membership lists?

[InsaneApache]

Perhaps the government could root out all the members of the Labour Party working in local and national government. Then they could sack them for belonging to a legitimate political party.

It reminds me of the 'poison dwarf' Blears carping on t'other week about political bloggers. The one in which she effectively said that freedom of speech is essential but only as long as you agree with me!

If you are to live in a liberal democracy then, no matter how appalling you see others views, legitimate political parties should all be treated equally.

[naut]

do labour/cons openly publish membership lists?

Maybe they should? I mean if your a enough of an political advocate to bother joining a party what's with all the hush-hush, "no I didn't, I'm not part of it... honest", business?

Perhaps the government could root out all the members of the Labour Party working in local and national government. Then they could sack them for belonging to a legitimate political party.

That doesn't sound like a half bad idea. Then we can sack all the Tories next and start all over again.

Edit:

i would say that is a very inaccurate characterisation of typical BNP membership.

Woops. Sorry, I was just making a guess off what they stand for and the areas I looked on BNPnearme.com. I should probably pay more attention to UK politics, be voting in, um, er, something...?

[Fragony]

Funny that the majority of the BNP members come from "snobby elite [...] 100% white neighbourhoods".

Ya. But of course.

[Scurvy]

Maybe they should? I mean if your a enough of an political advocate to bother joining a party what's with all the hush-hush, "no I didn't, I'm not part of it... honest", business?

I think in the case of parties like the BNP people feel they might be assaulted/endangered if it become public, although it does seem odd, especially as actually doing something for the party (as opposed to turning up for the free drinks) would involve disclosing your name/allegience anyway (by either actively campaigning, or declaring financial gifts)

[HoreTore]

This tickles me in that special way

All political party lists should be open to the public. I see that as just as important as being able to vote in secret. Don't got the balls to stand for your beliefs? Boo-hoo, go wet your pants, sissy. Secrecy in politics is a big no-no.

To arms, and doubt shall have no dominion, believing is not enough you must know that there is only one culture and it's multi, the snobby elite from 100% white neighbourhoods demands it. When things have changed for the worse the politicians allowing it will have other jobs.

Oh give it a rest, Frags. It's getting boring.

[Tribesman]

do labour/cons openly publish membership lists?

In a way yes . Parties have to submit membership lists to the electoral commision , the electoral commision has that freedom of info thing so you can ask for its lists , and since that info would be in the public domain anyone could publish it .
Since groups like the anti-nazi league already publish the lists of BNP members and list all their upcoming events what is Griffin moaning about this time ?
Oh I get it he is moaning because the people who did it this time left his fan club and are now race traitors
BNP what a bunch of idiots .

[LittleGrizzly]

How is this any better than the Mccarthy witchhunts ?

I guess the one thing you can say for it is the american communist party (either party or just american communists) is it wasn't specifically racist

I would rather those that are now known to be bnp members get tested on whether thier racist beliefs affect thier policing (tested by undercover officers / hidden camera's)

Though on the other hand any racism in the police force spells big trouble, and the documentary i watched a few years back (some journalist posed as a potential policeman and went to the training centre) contained some bnp members with very racist views, one even put a pillow cover over his head (white kkk style) and acted out stabbing muslims...

So maybe it is best to assume that bnp voters are racist, rather than give them the benefit of the doubt that they may just be idiots

Considering the problems that a racist police force can lead to im starting to come around to the idea that they should be kicked out of the police force, better to have some idiots out of the police force than have minoritys picked on by racists in authority...

Out of interest though... by extension would it be ok to....

Kick members of a cannabis legalisation political party out of the police force ?

[rory_20_uk]

What one thinks or believes in shouldn't be, no - isn't a crime.

[naut]

What one thinks or believes in shouldn't be, no - isn't a crime.

I'll play devils advocate here. What if I hypothetically decided to become a member of the KKK and claimed that all blacks and Jews were sub-human? Is my belief a crime or is the action of propagating that belief a crime?

My humble opinion, privately believing whatever you like is fine. But, when you start propagating such beliefs, that is when it crosses the line.

[Tribesman]

How is this any better than the Mccarthy witchhunts ?

How is it anything like the witchhunts ?
This is just the very regular repeat of British racists forming a political party , having an arguement amongst themselves and then turning on each other .

What one thinks or believes in shouldn't be, no - isn't a crime.

Who said it was a crime ?
However certain public jobs should not be held by people whose views are likely to colour their approach to members of the public who they are supposed to serve without prejudice .
Now I suppose some might argue that the BNP doesn't belong on the list of racist groups which the police/prison service don't like , perhaps they might say that the BPP NF NNF BM B&H and C18 are different from the BNP . But when the BNP has at its core the idea that everything is the fault of them bloody foriegners it does seem to fit on the list of racist gobshites doesn't it , and when you add that all the groups have the same origins and at various times the same membership/leadership it fits right on the list .

[LittleGrizzly]

How is it anything like the witchhunts ?

Well i was more reffering to the removal of people from thier jobs due to thier political persuasion...

I did convince myself further on in my post that it was acceptable.. i don't think the individuals should be punished further than losing thier public jobs, they should be allowed to work in the private sector, though they may have trouble getting work there if an interviewer realises why they left thier last job or just recognises the name...

[rory_20_uk]

So, people are allowed to be anti-abortion and alter their working practice to conform to this, yet to think something means they shouldn't have a job?

You are also managing to jump to the assumption that all are dyed in teh wool racists and should be treated as such. No trial or jury - just punishment.

[LittleGrizzly]

I see this as a choice between two evils

evil number 1, we remove people from public service because of thier political views

evil number 2, we allow bnp members to remain in the police force and potentially have hundreds of individual cases of non whites being unfairy prosecuted and more harshly prosecuted by a force that is supposed to treat them eqaully regardless of colour

and i am of the opinion that evil number 2 is the worse evil, these people can get other jobs, but a non white resident of the uk doesn't have a choice but to deal with a racist police officer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Damilola_Taylor

extract

6) During the post mortem of the victim vital evidence emerged that was withheld from the media in order to test the accuracy of stories told by witnesses. The statement of a key witness was subsequently made invalid when evidence was leaked and reported to the media before it could be heard in court. A subsequent police report was unable to reject the possibility that the story was leaked by a member of the police force

If just one member of the police force can wreck an investigation into the murder of a minority anonymously, then imagine what a few hundred racists in the police force could do...

[rory_20_uk]

Evil 2 is illegal.

Since we're stopping people based on other areas. I propose the following:

All Christians - especially Catholics are removed from working an Obstetrics or Gynacology lest they allow their views to interfere with their work
All religious police workers, doctors and public lawyers be sacked in case they bias against agnostics / atheists.
All atheist police workers, doctors and public lawyers be sacked in case they bias against religious people.
I'm sure there are others with views we should sack:

Ah

All conservatives should be sacked from government jobs as they believe in small governments and also we have a labour government so are possibly trying to undermine the country.

Surely there are others who obviously should be sacked in case of a theoretically possible greater evil...

[InsaneApache]

Wow, I'm gobsmacked.

Some of the lefty-liberals on here seem to be showing their true colours. Sack the bastards because they espouse an ideology different to mine. Talk about doing the fascists job for them. You should hang your heads in shame.

Until the BNP becomes a proscribed political organisation then their members should be allowed to get on with their lives without fear of sackings or other discaplinary proceedures.

As for the nonsense comment about BNP police officers prosecuting blacks....where the hell did you get the idea that the police prosecute anyone? Ever heard of the CPS?

I'll tell you a little story.

When I was an LGO I often had to implement policy that I fundamentally disagreed with. Why did I implement it? First off, it was my job. Secondly, the orders were delivered down from upon high by the democratically elected council. The clue here is democratically elected. I have more respect for democracy than to work to undermine it. After all, next time it might be 'my lot' that get in next time.

I suggest some of you liberals look to yourselves. Outrageous.

[LittleGrizzly]

Evil 2 is illegal.

yes it is, i fail to see why that would stop racist police officers, we have all kinds of racist things go on which are illegal...

All Christians - especially Catholics are removed from working an Obstetrics or Gynacology lest they allow their views to interfere with their work

I fail to see how a christian gynacologist would have thier work affected... if it was as simple as they refuse to serve women who have sex before marriage then they probably deserve the boot (depending how complicated it would be to work around this view)

If on the other hand the christian gynacologist was part of a group that chants death to sluts and would then not work to the same standard (or sabotage) thier work because it was a woman who had sex before marriage then sure give them the boot!

All religious police workers, doctors and public lawyers be sacked in case they bias against agnostics / atheists.
All atheist police workers, doctors and public lawyers be sacked in case they bias against religious people.

If they were part of groups that wants death to all christians or death to all non christians and hates the christians or non christians then yeah we probably should sack them... if however they don't hate the other group and aren't part of a group that wants death to the group they dislike then the example is completely different...

Sack the bastards because they espouse an ideology different to mine.

Incorrect, otherwise we would be calling for UKIP members to be fired as well, UKIP is a political party with strong anti immigration views... BNP is a political party that is racist, racists cannot be trusted in positions where they can negatively influence minoritys because of thier twisted views

As for the nonsense comment about BNP police officers prosecuting blacks....where the hell did you get the idea that the police prosecute anyone? Ever heard of the CPS?

I have been given cautions by police officers, my friends have recieved fines from police officers, if a police officer wanted to make any minority citizens life a misery there are 101 ways he can do it...

Also they can sabotage investigations (see extract from link earlier with y little piece)

When I was an LGO I often had to implement policy that I fundamentally disagreed with. Why did I implement it? First off, it was my job. Secondly, the orders were delivered down from upon high by the democratically elected council. The clue here is democratically elected.

Im struggling to see a point or a connection to what we are discussing ?

No one is talking about removing BNP councillours or mp's.... ?

After all, next time it might be 'my lot' that get in next time.