What do we need to make E.B better?

[Pontius Pilate]

Yeah, they are just a pain in the ass after all. Who needs Saba? But Saba is not the only faction that is totally superfluous. Who needs Aedui and Arverni? One Gallic faction should be more than enough. Who needs Epeiros? We all know that Pyrrhos, the Epeirote of some importance, was killed just a few turns into the game's start... Who needs Baktria? Aren't they just a Seleukid satrapy? They should be removed! The KH - just rebels... Makedonia? They got annihilated just 110 years into the game and never played an important role... All these backwater factions are only taking away precious space for the Romans. Without them, we could have a senate with funny missions, and, most important, three instead of just one Roman faction, so that we would be able to play out epic civil wars, with lots of lorica segmentata! Yeah! We would have much unit space free, so we could include the real important units: western Roman legions, eastern Roman legions, western Roman evocati, eastern Roman evocati, western Roman Antesignani, eastern Roman Antesignani, legions with lorica hamata, legions with lorica segmentata, Praetorians with lorica segmentata, early Roman archers, middle Roman archers, late Roman archers, auxiliary Roman archers with lorica hamata, auxiliary Roman archers with lorica segmentata, Praetorian cavalry, Praetorian cavalry with lorica segmentata, urban cohortes, urban cohortes with lorica... ah you get what I mean! ROMA VICTOR! ROMA VICTOR! ROMA VICTOR!

oh shut up. you see, now this crap right here, this is a fine example of SPAM.

[Pontius Pilate]

+1

And think of the ppl who actually created all of Saba's units and descriptions.. By saying '' Saba shouldn't have been included '' you're actually saying '' your work is worthless'' .. Besides, it's always nice if you have a big Empire (like Imperium Romanum) and have some other factions outside your borders, so you've still got a kind of a challenge in defending those borders.
Last but not least, we don't want two exactly the same factions, do we? Variation is the best we can get, IMHO, and Saba has units that are totally different from any other in entire Europe (barbarorum :P)

At least, that's my opinion.

-1

geez, you people are all so sensitive, can't even take a little constructive criticism. I like how people who never mentioned Saba before are all coming out of the dark now to praise it as if it is their favorite faction.

[Nobo]

thats a good point. I have never liked saba, and they are no threat to anyone. I dont think anyone finds them intresting or plays as them. But there is a good point that there couldnt be only elutheroi there. Trade are important, and having someone dominating there.

just curious... have you ever played as saba?

[a completely inoffensive name]

I have never played as Saba, and probably won't until EBII comes out and I start browsing through every faction again to see any changes. That being said, I recognize its importance in Arabia and preventing weird things happening in that region with the Parthians. Besides, the new way that they said are utilizing scripts in EBII makes me believe for some (weird and probably not backed by any factual evidence) reason that any stuff left out (Alexander's tomb) due to using the senate faction can be included even if all the faction slots in EBII are used. If I am wrong about that, please disregard this post because I am idiot.

[Pontius Pilate]

I have never played as Saba, and probably won't until EBII comes out and I start browsing through every faction again to see any changes. That being said, I recognize its importance in Arabia and preventing weird things happening in that region with the Parthians. Besides, the new way that they said are utilizing scripts in EBII makes me believe for some (weird and probably not backed by any factual evidence) reason that any stuff left out (Alexander's tomb) due to using the senate faction can be included even if all the faction slots in EBII are used. If I am wrong about that, please disregard this post because I am idiot.

You are an idiot.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Nah, I'm just kidding, seriously.

I really don't know the answer to what you said, post it in the EB II forum or just wait for someone to come along.

[Atraphoenix]

You could always get rid of unimportant factions like rome, parthia or armenia to make room for the mighty senate [/joke]

Repent or I will send you my cataphracts

forgot to re-edit done now...

[Pontius Pilate]

Did you read any parthian history?
I condemn you strongly!

Remember Crassus his arrogance had ended after he was drawned with molten gold through his throad!

In real history only Parthians and Germans were not subdued Roman Hegemonia.
Mighty Senate, they were puppets of despots, emperors, dictators and strong families!
Sulla then Caesar easily crushed them.

Read history or even read great AARs of Parthia how a wonderful faction they were!
Or I will send you my cataphracts!

what kind of nonsense is this? you do release he made a joke right?

[bovi]

Atraphoenix, note the [/joke] at the end of the sentence. Which shouldn't even be necessary to recognize it as one.

[Atraphoenix]

I had forgoten to re-edit, done now...

[Zarax]

Oops... I guess one is never too careful when unleashing irony...

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

Saba are necessary to give the yellow death of Ptolemaic Empire another opponent, otherwise they just cripple the Selucids too easily.

[Grriffon]

I also don't see Saba as essential to EB. "missions" could be much cooler, I think.

Most of the other stuff seems to be hardcoded, like choosing a general or governor.

The turns are rather long, if that could be reduced it would help.

The AI could be more aggressive. When you are surrounded by slaves you are pretty much safe, as only factions will actively attack you, and I think you should have to guard against eleutheroi as well.

It would be nice if command stars weren't QUITE so hard to earn. When a General gets several heroic victories I would think that would make him more than a mediocre tactician.

The way traits are earned and you have to manage your generals is something I LOVE about EB. Anything you can do to add on to or enhance this would be awesome.



That's all I can think of currently. Will post more if I can think of them.

[Grriffon]

Ah, so the inclusion of the Alexander Mission is of far more import than a powerful faction from Southern Arabia with strong trade links to both Egypt and India. Just so I'm clear.

Foot

Sorry for the double post, but after reading back through the thread I wanted to reply to this.


Yes. Pretty much any of the senate "missions" would be more important, for me, than Saba.

Until this thread, I have NEVER seen anyone defend Saba. Their family member bodyguard is very weak, and their unit selection is very limited. I don't say this just to infuriate whoever designed the Saba faction, but if you are asknig for ways to improve EB, then either scrap Saba and reintroduce some fun missions that a variety of factions could take advantage of, or improve the Saba faction unit selection and bodyguard.

I was just stunned how many people are defending Saba in the thread here, when I have never seen a pro-Saba post before this.


edit: and yes, I have played Saba. I didn't conquer the world as them, because I found them rather weak and boring, but I did try playing them.

edit2: again, i hope this post doesn't come off as offensive to the EB team. I love your game. Just offering opinions on ways to improve it.

[MerlinusCDXX]

Sorry for the double post, but after reading back through the thread I wanted to reply to this.


Yes. Pretty much any of the senate "missions" would be more important, for me, than Saba.

Until this thread, I have NEVER seen anyone defend Saba. Their family member bodyguard is very weak, and their unit selection is very limited. I don't say this just to infuriate whoever designed the Saba faction, but if you are asknig for ways to improve EB, then either scrap Saba and reintroduce some fun missions that a variety of factions could take advantage of, or improve the Saba faction unit selection and bodyguard.

I was just stunned how many people are defending Saba in the thread here, when I have never seen a pro-Saba post before this.


edit: and yes, I have played Saba. I didn't conquer the world as them, because I found them rather weak and boring, but I did try playing them.

edit2: again, i hope this post doesn't come off as offensive to the EB team. I love your game. Just offering opinions on ways to improve it.

Ummm...gonna have to disagree with that statement. This post, while not particularly lengthy or eloquent, was meant as a type of "defense" or endorsement for having the Saba as a faction. They serve a great purpose for me, as I usually play AS, Pontos, Hayasdan, and Pahlava. If they did not exist, playing the diplomacy game in the Levant would be impossible, since you can't have diplomatic relations with Eleutheroi (rebels/independents/bandits). If I didn't take them on as a "junior partner", I'd be spending my turns fighting off repetitive Ptolemaioi stacks that can't beat my armies, but clog up my turns so that it takes hours just to play 2 turns or so. I like long campaigns, but there's just a limit on how many times I can stomach fighting the same boring-ass stack in the same boring-ass desert. As any of the factions I play, other than the AS, there would be no interest or historical plausibility for taking their lands. So there is another defense for the Saba.

PS. Have you read either of Berkeley Boi's Saba AARs ? Just that alone blows out the notion that "no one defends or cares about the Saba".

[Ca Putt]

I have to admit, that if someone would ask me which faction to delete, I would answer Saba. I will probably never play as saba, only I play all other civs before(exept for romans :P ) whih could take some time. but still Saba is much better than senate missions. for one, who is arround in the south? AS Carthage and Ptolemies, all of them can be considered "BIG" saba brings a relatively small opponent into the region, although they are not realy expansive, in my campaign most of what they got from the Ptolemies was a gift of mine^^(in fact the only "interesting" thing they did till now was to send a fullstack army against the AS :( ). appart from that they are VERY unique, they don't have those endless Phalanxes, which i've learned to fight by now but realy make expanding into the near east a pain in the ass.
that said, I think the importance of Saba could be increaced by more regional levies in that region(if possible even a elite unit). If i look at the recruitment viewer that region is either red or not colored at all! there is just nothing that would motivate you to expand down there, other than conquering the whole world :( there has to be SOMETHING that could increace the popularity of that region.

[satalexton]

believe it or not, but my first faction in 1.0 was Saba, and it was fun and fresh using armies of archer spearmen...

[Leão magno]

The title says it all

It just needs MTWII Kingdons engine!!!!!!

[ziegenpeter]

I mentioned this already somwhere else but here we go again... ;-)

+ Other Skins for Spies, Agents & Diplo (and if they will be used the priests an merchants Of course)*
They still look a bit fantasy- and vanilla-like.
+ Capitals Start almost fully developped. AFAIK Most of the factions were actually able to recruit Elite troops at 272 BC, or did Alex conquer persia with peasants?
+ The ringing bells when the message of a marriage celebration appears. Please switch them off or replace them

[Pontius Pilate]

Ummm...gonna have to disagree with that statement. This post, while not particularly lengthy or eloquent, was meant as a type of "defense" or endorsement for having the Saba as a faction. They serve a great purpose for me, as I usually play AS, Pontos, Hayasdan, and Pahlava. If they did not exist, playing the diplomacy game in the Levant would be impossible, since you can't have diplomatic relations with Eleutheroi (rebels/independents/bandits). If I didn't take them on as a "junior partner", I'd be spending my turns fighting off repetitive Ptolemaioi stacks that can't beat my armies, but clog up my turns so that it takes hours just to play 2 turns or so. I like long campaigns, but there's just a limit on how many times I can stomach fighting the same boring-ass stack in the same boring-ass desert. As any of the factions I play, other than the AS, there would be no interest or historical plausibility for taking their lands. So there is another defense for the Saba.

PS. Have you read either of Berkeley Boi's Saba AARs ? Just that alone blows out the notion that "no one defends or cares about the Saba".

what was the point of posting that link? it led me to a single post with a single sentence in it. I hardly call that a good defense for Saba. you seriously couldn't find anything else? that was a pretty bad endorsment for the Saba faction.

[Zarax]

Game balance is what led to Saba, XGM had to go the same road...

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Ok. Some people do not think Saba is necessary. Others think it is a nice addition to EB. Just agree to disagree or this thread is going to turn dirty and will be locked.

[Zarax]

To sum it all: De gustibus non disputandum est.

EDIT: Some kind mod might like to split the thread to keep its original constructiveness.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

oh shut up. you see, now this crap right here, this is a fine example of SPAM.

I say what I deem fit, especially if it's on topic like my post you quoted.

[Hax]

And especially when, y'know..it's sarcasm.

[MerlinusCDXX]

what was the point of posting that link? it led me to a single post with a single sentence in it. I hardly call that a good defense for Saba. you seriously couldn't find anything else? that was a pretty bad endorsment for the Saba faction.

The point was that the Saba faction has a purpose in the game even in a thread about something else, and even if one doesn't play them personally.

As for the link leading to a single post, at least I keep to the topic of the thread and post something relevant, rather than injecting OMG Romanz roxors LS ROMA VICTOR into any thread no matter the topic.

[Pontius Pilate]

I say what I deem fit, especially if it's on topic like my post you quoted.

really, what you said has alot to do with this thread? It is obviously a bunch of spam. You go on to name like every Roman unit in the game and you mention LS, which is in no way related to this thread. Also, what you mentioned that is not related to this thread: Urban cohort, roman auxillary archers with LS(which wasn't even in Vanilla), Roma Victor multiple times, etc. I mean, come on, since when do people post 10 smilies in a single post???

The point was that the Saba faction has a purpose in the game even in a thread about something else, and even if one doesn't play them personally.

As for the link leading to a single post, at least I keep to the topic of the thread and post something relevant, rather than injecting OMG Romanz roxors LS ROMA VICTOR into any thread no matter the topic.

Did I inject "OMG Romanz roxors LS ROMA VICTOR" into this thread? no I didn't, and if you have a problem with my signature, there is a reason it is in spoilers, don't click on the spoiler if you don't want to.

[bovi]

Did I inject "OMG Romanz roxors LS ROMA VICTOR" into this thread? no I didn't, and if you have a problem with my signature, there is a reason it is in spoilers, don't click on the spoiler if you don't want to.

Pontius Pilate, you really need to start looking at more than one line as context for posts that are made. Not everything everyone says is about you, even though the first line of what they say is a direct answer.

[johnhughthom]

I dont think anyone finds them intresting or plays as them.

Blasphemy. I wonder if some people don't like Saba as it takes some thought on the campaign and battle maps to be successful with them?

[Majd il-Romani]

I like saba fine

but to improve EB I REALLY want better-looking roman Cohortes. I mean, look at all the beautiful units Baktria and all the factions have, and the great looking units if the romans, and then you see the cohortes reformata and it just kinda gets ruined. I'm not saying theyre ugly, but the face definatley can be done better. Maybe some stubble or something on the face like the late Hastati, and coolus helmets. and foot dont take this the wrong way because I am in no way insulting the EB team. Bit of constructive criticism, is all

(if there is a minimod like this, please tell me)

[Pontius Pilate]

Pontius Pilate, you really need to start looking at more than one line as context for posts that are made. Not everything everyone says is about you, even though the first line of what they say is a direct answer.

well, what he said could have been directed at me, or to everyone. he made no clear satement as to who he was directing his responses to. so one can only assume the worst.