Linguistics discussion (split from new factions thread)

**Cartaphilus** · 12-14-2008, 21:44

Originally Posted by Viking_Wårlord

Gothic(wich is a dead language) had a lot of remnants of Biblic hebrew(wich can be explained by the Goths having converted to Arianism)!

And because the gothic is mainly known through "The Bible of Ulfilas".

**Elmetiacos** · 12-15-2008, 01:04

This Swedish word is presumably cognate with the English "doom" - which used to mean "judgement" until the Normans exported the French word. I believe on the Isle of Man a judge is still called a Doomster, or something like that.

**MeinPanzer** · 12-15-2008, 01:28

Thralldom is still a word in English meaning servitude or slavery. The suffix -dom comes from OE dōm and "refers to domain (kingdom), collection of persons (officialdom), rank or station (earldom), or general condition (freedom)."

**SpawnOfEbil** · 12-15-2008, 22:25

Completely different topic:

How did the team reconstruct the steppe languages (ie the Sauromatae and the Saka Rauka). Presumably, being an Indo-Aryan language, you could look at related languages (indeed, there are a few recognizable words such as malik referring to king), but still, that's a lord of work to be done.

Also are there any pronounciation guides? Some of them are a right nightmare (especially the word for rider, whatever it is).

**Ibrahim** · 12-15-2008, 22:49

Originally Posted by SpawnOfEbil

Completely different topic:

How did the team reconstruct the steppe languages (ie the Sauromatae and the Saka Rauka). Presumably, being an Indo-Aryan language, you could look at related languages (indeed, there are a few recognizable words such as malik referring to king), but still, that's a lord of work to be done.

Also are there any pronounciation guides? Some of them are a right nightmare (especially the word for rider, whatever it is).

you sure malik is even indoeuropean?

unless two language groups (indo-Iranian and semetic), evolved the same word seperately.

**SpawnOfEbil** · 12-15-2008, 23:09

Sorry, I saw it, realized it was used in India to refer to some kind of royalty and then assumed it was an Indo-European root.

**Ibrahim** · 12-15-2008, 23:14

Originally Posted by SpawnOfEbil

Sorry, I saw it, realized it was used in India to refer to some kind of royalty and then assumed it was an Indo-European root.

its OK, just figured Its unusual that 2 groups can evolve the exact same word seperately.

**Kuningaz** · 12-15-2008, 23:27

Wow was really interesting to read about this, unfortunately I almost don't know anything about proto germanic languages. I got a question though: are the Sweboz somehow related to modern day Schwaben? (just cause it sounds so similar). Ah and as an Austrian I gotta tell you I'm really thankfull for your great work, no problem with you being American at all...

**ziegenpeter** · 12-16-2008, 19:20

Originally Posted by Kuningaz

I got a question though: are the Sweboz somehow related to modern day Schwaben?

Yes, indeed in modern german the Sweboz are called "sueben" and they've given the name for the modern Schwaben. This phenomenon is the same for other germanic tribes: The francs, Bajuwaren (Bayern), Alamani, Saxons, Frisians, Chatti (Hessen) etc.
However, this doesnt always imply a straight descendence from these tribes.

EDIT: In case someone wants to be given sources, I'll look them up later.

**Viking_Wårlord** · 12-17-2008, 13:08

Originally Posted by Kuningaz

Wow was really interesting to read about this, unfortunately I almost don't know anything about proto germanic languages. I got a question though: are the Sweboz somehow related to modern day Schwaben? (just cause it sounds so similar). Ah and as an Austrian I gotta tell you I'm really thankfull for your great work, no problem with you being American at all...

Yes,the Swêboz came from the actual Swabian region but it's descendants are the Portuguese...

**MeinPanzer** · 12-18-2008, 06:57

Originally Posted by SpawnOfEbil

Completely different topic:

How did the team reconstruct the steppe languages (ie the Sauromatae and the Saka Rauka). Presumably, being an Indo-Aryan language, you could look at related languages (indeed, there are a few recognizable words such as malik referring to king), but still, that's a lord of work to be done.

Also are there any pronounciation guides? Some of them are a right nightmare (especially the word for rider, whatever it is).

Just to answer this: almost all reconstructions of ancient steppe languages are AFAIK based on Ossetian with a input from epigraphy and Indo-European cognates.