I have all three of those book and Love them thanks for the suggestions and my osprey collection is looking more like a store front as I buy more and more (I wish Nick Sekunda had more published. I feal that his book on early roman and Italian armies is really on the mark with his theory/interpitation of the Samnites fighting technique . (it is also largly ignored in the wargaming and hitorical comunity he would have had a better reaction if he said they came from space instead of that the roman had copied their sword/pilum fighting from them as well as the etruscans . thanks for the Bib I am off to get some books .Patrick