Pyrrhus of Epirus

[gamegeek2]

There is probably a Proto-Indo-European ethnonym, related to "Aryana" somehow.

They were probably split, into Nomadic and Pastoral like the EB nomadic factions.

FYI, I follow the Kurgan hypothesis, that Indo-Europeans originated in and north of the Caucasus mountains, and that the Greeks came from the north, not across from Anatolia.

[artavazd]

There is probably a Proto-Indo-European ethnonym, related to "Aryana" somehow.

They were probably split, into Nomadic and Pastoral like the EB nomadic factions.

FYI, I follow the Kurgan hypothesis, that Indo-Europeans originated in and north of the Caucasus mountains, and that the Greeks came from the north, not across from Anatolia.

I dont realy know much on the subject, but I know that several subjects in Greek mythology came from Anatolia/Caucasus. One such example would be cyclopses.

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

The maximum extent for the PIE culture would probably NOT include Anatolia. IIRC there was an old Hittite inscription (as described by C. W. Ceram) about a ceremonial rite that placed the "Great Sea" on the East, together with the rising sun. It is also documented that the Hittites came from the Caucasus and expanded onto Central Anatolia afterwards in historical times, displacing and overruling the local non-IE inhabitants (Hattians).

[keravnos]

I dont realy know much on the subject, but I know that several subjects in Greek mythology came from Anatolia/Caucasus. One such example would be cyclopses.

This would be attributed to Pelasgoi, a pre-hellenic people who lived from Epeiros down to the whole of Greece. After Hellenic conquest and assimilation, they deffinitely held on to their myths which then became Hellenic myths, albeit changed. For example, Dodona was from 2000 BCE a site of worship for the great godess of the Earth, GAIA. Then after the Dorians came, the worship shifted to that of Zeus, BUT Zeus in Epeiros was considered married with the local godess, Dione. This Dione must be old Gaia, or Earth-mother or whatever else Pelasgoi (Pre-Greeks rather) of Epeiros would call her.

[artavazd]

This would be attributed to Pelasgoi, a pre-hellenic people who lived from Epeiros down to the whole of Greece. After Hellenic conquest and assimilation, they deffinitely held on to their myths which then became Hellenic myths, albeit changed. For example, Dodona was from 2000 BCE a site of worship for the great godess of the Earth, GAIA. Then after the Dorians came, the worship shifted to that of Zeus, BUT Zeus in Epeiros was considered married with the local godess, Dione. This Dione must be old Gaia, or Earth-mother or whatever else Pelasgoi (Pre-Greeks rather) of Epeiros would call her.

Interesting. Is their a Greek female name similar to Gaia? reason that I ask, is because there is an Armenian female name Gaiane. The name is Latin, but became very popular in Armenia during the 4th century AD. when two Christian Roman women, Gaiane, and Hripsime were martered in Armenia by King Trtad (before he himself became Christian) After Trtad became Christian he had two churches built in honor of Gaiane and Hripsime (Saint Gaiane Church and Saint Hripsime Church.) Both churches are still in use to this day.

[Gatalos de Sauromatae]

Interesting. Is their a Greek female name similar to Gaia? reason that I ask, is because there is an Armenian female name Gaiane. The name is Latin, but became very popular in Armenia during the 4th century AD. when two Christian Roman women, Gaiane, and Hripsime were martered in Armenia by King Trtad (before he himself became Christian) After Trtad became Christian he had two churches built in honor of Gaiane and Hripsime (Saint Gaiane Church and Saint Hripsime Church.) Both churches are still in use to this day.

Wow it's really interesting. Would you post the book or site that I could study more about the ancient deity(before Christianity) in Armenia? Thank in advance.

[russia almighty]

My biggest question though, who was around in Iran, the Western Steppe, and Europe before the Indo-Europeans?

And what type of migration was this? A full lock stock and barrel one, or "great another rich, eccentric bastard got up with his friends, and decided to kick our neighbor's ass."

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

My biggest question though, who was around in Iran, the Western Steppe, and Europe before the Indo-Europeans?

And what type of migration was this? A full lock stock and barrel one, or "great another rich, eccentric bastard got up with his friends, and decided to kick our neighbor's ass."

WE don't know exactly. Some areas like the old Middle East were very diversified, linguistically speaking, with many completely different groups such as the Hurrians, the Gutians, the Elamites and the Kassites that mostly vanished without leaving any significant trace. In the Steppes particularly there is no conclusive evidence for anything, maybe a pre-Indo-European group inhabiting it since Neolithic times that eventually turned into the original PIE of history.

The circumstances of the migration into Europe are still debated. Most likely it was a mix of both agricultural expansion and nomad invasion, and the original peoples of Europe spoke an unknown language (probably related to Basque, though); the archaeological record actually shows a trace of changes starting in the Bronze Age, but I don't know exactly to what extent they translate into a foreign invasion or merely a change in material culture and customs.

[artavazd]

Wow it's really interesting. Would you post the book or site that I could study more about the ancient deity(before Christianity) in Armenia? Thank in advance.

http://www.armenian-history.com/Armenian_mythology.htm

there you go. I like this site, because you can read about many Armenian related topics as well.

[Gatalos de Sauromatae]

http://www.armenian-history.com/Armenian_mythology.htm

there you go. I like this site, because you can read about many Armenian related topics as well.

Thank and cheer for ya.

[keravnos]

Interesting. Is their a Greek female name similar to Gaia? reason that I ask, is because there is an Armenian female name Gaiane. The name is Latin, but became very popular in Armenia during the 4th century AD. when two Christian Roman women, Gaiane, and Hripsime were martered in Armenia by King Trtad (before he himself became Christian) After Trtad became Christian he had two churches built in honor of Gaiane and Hripsime (Saint Gaiane Church and Saint Hripsime Church.) Both churches are still in use to this day.

Gaia means earth, and is feminine. Gaiane means literally "from earth" or "of earth". This is also what the greek female name that would come from Gaia be. The male form is "Georgios" or George, which would come from "Gaia"+"ergo" meaning from "Earth" and "work", "He who toils the land". Agriculture is "Georgia" in greek, and farmer is "Georgos". The name George is "Georgios". It is a very interesting story, that of Gaiane, and I think everyone should know that it was Armenia which became the worlds' first Christian Nation, in 306 CE, IIRC. Constantine and The Roman Empire was second.

[artavazd]

Gaia means earth, and is feminine. Gaiane means literally "from earth" or "of earth". This is also what the greek female name that would come from Gaia be. The male form is "Georgios" or George, which would come from "Gaia"+"ergo" meaning from "Earth" and "work", "He who toils the land". Agriculture is "Georgia" in greek, and farmer is "Georgos". The name George is "Georgios". It is a very interesting story, that of Gaiane, and I think everyone should know that it was Armenia which became the worlds' first Christian Nation, in 306 CE, IIRC. Constantine and The Roman Empire was second.

Well the name George is a very common name. What's interesting about this name is, that diffrent people have given the name their own twist. For example we have Giorgi, Jora which is in Russian, Jorje in Spanish, and Gevorg is in Armenian.

Yes Armenia was the first Christian Nation. The official date is 301 CE, but Ive heard scholars debate it going as back as 287CE to just a couple of years before Constantine declared Christianity.