The Absolutely Best Heavy Cavalry in EB...

**Watchman** · 12-22-2008, 20:12

Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

@BTW, the fast attack rate of the Phalavans seems to be the factor of their winning...

Wierd. The secondary weapons should have no meaningful difference in their attack speeds...

Originally Posted by artavazd

I think the diffrence is that the Pahalav have a one up on the attack, and the leathality is .225 compared to the mace which is .165

As attack value vs defense score goes, however, the advantage should firmly enough lie with the mace which has AP, something the longsword at least isn't supposed to possess...

**artavazd** · 12-23-2008, 03:18

Originally Posted by Watchman

Wierd. The secondary weapons should have no meaningful difference in their attack speeds...

As attack value vs defense score goes, however, the advantage should firmly enough lie with the mace which has AP, something the longsword at least isn't supposed to possess...

Thats what I thought as well, but the tests that were performed showed the longsword beating the mace against a heavily armored unit. So now Im just confused, because by looking at unit stats, the Armenian Late BG should fair much much better than those tests show

**NeoSpartan** · 12-23-2008, 05:11

Well... I am pretty sure TPC would be happy to know that

**LordCurlyton** · 12-23-2008, 10:52

I know I'm going to sound like a broken record but....how fast is each secondary attack animation? Not the attack speed that the unit is set for, I mean the actual animation itself. All these bodyguards can have the same attack speed, which basically just sets the cool-down between attack animation runs. If the length of the animation of the attack differs by any great amount, however, then it will still be a tangible and noticeable difference.
Also, when the tests were being run by CuteWolf did the defending human just sit and allow the charge to hit home or did they counter-charge? I've found that the AI goes about 50-50 as to whether they counter-charge my attack or not in battles. If you're just sitting there there's always thepossibility that the attacker can win by getting those few extra men free to gang up on enemies.

**Watchman** · 12-23-2008, 18:44

Eh, they all use the "hc_swordsman" skeleton. Not much choice there anyway.

**LordCurlyton** · 12-23-2008, 20:59

Well poop. There goes my theory. But I'm definitely in the "Pahlava FM should not get AP" category. The tests even seem to show that they perform better than stats would indicate, as is the case with many units in my experience.

**The Persian Cataphract** · 12-24-2008, 01:56

This is all very strange. All my custom games show that the Late Parthian Bodyguards get their living daylights kicked out of them, in particular against their Bactrian counterparts, whenever switching to their swords. Now I'm reading that some dude is actually emerging victorious every time against the same Bactrian... Which sounds completely bizarre if you're asking me, as I've gotten my ass kicked by kontos-wielding Bactrian, Sacae, and Armenian AI-controlled bodyguards.

Either, I've got a very fucked up EDU, or something truly, deeply, madly, isn't right. It's driving me crazy, but apparently on someone else's machine, the longswords don't behave like toothpicks, and to boot against... A human controlled opponent?