terror on the rise?

two stories:

Mubai rocked by terror attacks

and

Penn Station and subway system under terrorist attack threat

looks to me that the terrorists are taking advantage of the worldwide financial instability in an attempt to throw the world off balance....

I blame Obama!!

(and claim a prize for blaming him first!)

I wouldn't say the terrorists are using the crisis in that way, they are probably very happy with the crisis but im sure this plan would have been in the works regardless

Originally Posted by hooahguy

looks to me that the terrorists are taking advantage of the worldwide financial instability in an attempt to throw the world off balance....

Hehe. Rhetoric. Can I dress you up in a suit and put on as an "expert" for Fox News?

"They", (although referring to "them" in this way makes them sound like one big related happy family, which terrorists certainly aren't), are just doing what they do. Hoping to instil fear to get what they want. Me thinks they are just pissed off people aren't paying attention to them, like a little child crying because their parents are paying more attention to their new born baby brother than it is them.

From what i heard on the news it isn't actually Al Qaeda just an extremist islamic terrorist group using similar tactics, i wouldn't assume some master world plan at work, more short term kill these white guys and blow up this building...

Being half Indian, I will just say....

...I'm not allowed to say what I want on here.

If I ever meet one of them I swear to god they'll wish they had their 70 already.

Sarcasm On

Well we westerners have spent billions if not trillions and tried our best to make sure that almost every little muslim boy out there dreams of owning their own Osama bin Laden action figure...


...I say it's about time. It would be a shame if all this investment would go to waste.

Sarcasm Off


I think that we havent had a big one for quite some time. Statistically we should have had one. So despite terrorism being on the rise (since young people grow up in a world where the end justifies the means) I think that all in all terrorism is being kept at bay more efficiently than I would have predicted 2-3 years ago.

Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon

Being half Indian, I will just say....

...I'm not allowed to say what I want on here.

If I ever meet one of them I swear to god they'll wish they had their 70 already.

It must be awful. I feel for you.

Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon

Being half Indian, I will just say....

...I'm not allowed to say what I want on here.

If I ever meet one of them I swear to god they'll wish they had their 70 already.

I do understand the sentiment. BTDT.

Here's an interview with Fareed Zakaria, a reknown journalist & editor of Newsweek International who is also a Mumbai native. Mayhem in Mumbai

Sky is reporting that some of the terrorists just got whats coming to them at the Jewish centre thay had overun good riddance to bad rubbish.

Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

From what i heard on the news it isn't actually Al Qaeda just an extremist islamic terrorist group using similar tactics, i wouldn't assume some master world plan at work, more short term kill these white guys and blow up this building...

That seems to have been the intention. Luckily, a lot of the foreigners escaped. But they got much more Indians than foreigners instead. We are witnessing India's 9/11. I feel sad for India.

It's ironic how I see a lot of India tourism commercials on CNN.

"terror attacks" ...many countries have been living with them for a long, long time; now there's a new terror "group" that just wants to kill people anywhere they can, as opposed to targeting a particular country to get their demands met. So is it on the rise.? Yes, but that's only to be expected.

It seems obvious that the reasoning behind the most highly news worthy terror attacks, is that they can be related to a specific religion. This leads to an inevitable distrust/dislike of the perpatrators religious belief; which achieves nothing but needless distrust, that alienates people which in turns helps produce more terrorists.

Anyway, about the financial crisis, I want to make a small point, (please correct me if I'm wrong. On the basis that bank de-regulation was the main cause, (don't think you can blame bankers for being greedy as that's their purpose), surely of blame should be aimed at the people that deregulated them in the first place. Now if I'm not very much mistaken that was the good ol' UK PM Mr.Brown...The unelected, (saviour), in these deeply troubling times.

It seems obvious that the reasoning behind the most highly news worthy terror attacks, is that they can be related to a specific religion. This leads to an inevitable distrust/dislike of the perpatrators religious belief; which achieves nothing but needless distrust, that alienates people which in turns helps produce more terrorists.

Spot on! its one of the main things that keep terrorists going, they work off mistreatment or percieved mistreatment, and by doing these terrorist attacks countrys and individuals will go on to mistreat members of the same religion as the terrorists, this will then validate the terrorists original reasoning and thus the vicious circle (or cycle ?) is born

Anyway, about the financial crisis, I want to make a small point, (please correct me if I'm wrong. On the basis that bank de-regulation was the main cause, (don't think you can blame bankers for being greedy as that's their purpose), surely of blame should be aimed at the people that deregulated them in the first place. Now if I'm not very much mistaken that was the good ol' UK PM Mr.Brown...The unelected, (saviour), in these deeply troubling times.

hmm, firstly im not sure enough on the exact causes of the crisis so ill leave that point, but i assumed to finaincial sector of britian to be pretty much unregulated since thatcher (going out on a limb here, but thatcher was the neo classic economist (with reegan) and one of her things was deregulation) so i would've have assumed that goverments coming after thatcher simply didn't add regulation... really not sure on this point though...

From what I've gathered I believe it to be the work of a Pakistani controlled Kashmir terrorist group. About the language thing, I have no idea how to explain Fareed's point...

I just came across the Mumbai attack here. Was rather surprised I hadn't heard of it before.
What a despicable thing to do.

I haven't read anything else about it but if they really were Islamists, then I guess it shouldn't be too hard to suspect a certain neighboring country that harbours islamists and happens to hate India...
Maybe they wanted to get something back for all that harboring and so they found a target they could both agree on. Of course I'm not 100% sure about that but it sounds just soo likely.
Ok, apparently that was rubbish, the rest stands.

Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon

Being half Indian, I will just say....

...I'm not allowed to say what I want on here.

If I ever meet one of them I swear to god they'll wish they had their 70 already.

No doubt. It's one of those things that the best punishment I see would have been to capture the entire lot alive and to throw them in a coliseum full of Indians. That's from where it comes my ambiguity towards the death penalty. Had it happened in my country and against my fellow citizens (And I'm not even speaking about my very own relatives), I would no doubt wish them to die in the most cruel and despicable way possible.

Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon

From what I've gathered I believe it to be the work of a Pakistani controlled Kashmir terrorist group. About the language thing, I have no idea how to explain Fareed's point...

I believe his point about the local Indian witnesses not recognizing the gunmen's language is:

An Indian businessman who says he heard the attackers said he didn't understand the language that the young men were speaking. That means that it wasn't Hindi or Urdu… most Indians would recognize the major languages even if they couldn't speak one of them. But most Indians would be unfamiliar with what's spoken in parts of the Kashmir. That's a source of much of the terrorism. My guess is that ultimately this will turn out to be some outside jihadi groups who might also recruit among disaffected Muslims locally.

This was just one eyewitness account so who can really say for sure at this point. However, what group/groups have the most to gain by fomenting continued friction between Pakistan & India?

This is an act of revenge for the Gujarat Riots apparently.

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...2650-2,00.html

its just a recurring circle of violence based on recently invented beliefs in nationalism and not really any sort of religious schism, its funny when everyone realises there was no religious schism in india before, and during ghandi's era.

To elaborate further, this issue started to go downhill after ghandi was assassinated.

Originally Posted by Leet Eriksson

This is an act of revenge for the Gujarat Riots apparently.

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...2650-2,00.html

its just a recurring circle of violence based on recently invented beliefs in nationalism and not really any sort of religious schism, its funny when everyone realises there was no religious schism in india before, and during ghandi's era.

To elaborate further, this issue started to go downhill after ghandi was assassinated.

It is based on religion. The conflict is over Kashmir which is an area that creates religious conflict for so many reasons...

Hosakawa Tito:

Yeah I got it, but I have difficulty taking that into consideration. When people are yelling in different languages in that part of the world where there are so many completely different languages let alone different dialects, its very difficult to get a good reading I think.

Merely my opinion though. I'm sure they heard what they heard, it just has a possibility of not being completely correct. It probably is correct though, I just don't know.

Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy

Sky is reporting that some of the terrorists just got whats coming to them at the Jewish centre thay had overun good riddance to bad rubbish.

sadly, the chabad(jewish outreach) rabbi and his wife (who im related to) have been killed.....

Originally Posted by hooahguy

sadly, the chabad(jewish outreach) rabbi and his wife (who im related to) have been killed.....

Sorry for your loss.

Originally Posted by hooahguy

sadly, the chabad(jewish outreach) rabbi and his wife (who im related to) have been killed.....

Then you have my deepest and sincerest condolences.

Horrible barbarism. My deepest wishes and prayers for those affected.

This is hardly enough to base a conclusion that terrorism is on the rise. Attacks in India have been going one for years now, the only difference being this was well co-ordinated and no major group has claimed responsibility. My condolences to the relatives of the deceased.

The lone surviving attacker that was captured is Pakistani. Pakistan's government may not be directly involved, but rogue elements within that government probably are. The attackers definitely had military training & combat experience and knew enough to infiltrate by sea instead of trying to get weapons & explosives in by overland checkpoints.

Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon

It is based on religion. The conflict is over Kashmir which is an area that creates religious conflict for so many reasons...

If you bother reading, you'll know why these conflicts are recent and artificial, and has nothing to do with religion.

The indian government is horribly incompetent and has mishandled many issues in the past, i'm not very surprised after discovering that this was bound to happen. Just look at whats happening to the christians http://ncronline3.org/drupal/?q=node/2362

Originally Posted by Leet Eriksson

If you bother reading, you'll know why these conflicts are recent and artificial, and has nothing to do with religion.

The indian government is horribly incompetent and has mishandled many issues in the past, i'm not very surprised after discovering that this was bound to happen. Just look at whats happening to the christians http://ncronline3.org/drupal/?q=node/2362

I don't know what planet you're on. The beginning of the fight for Kashmir started when Muslim rulers began to become intolerant towards the Hindu religion and they began destroying Hindu shrines and killing them. Many committed suicide to prevent themselves from having to change religion or leave their country.

When the British left they helped decide whether Kashmir would go to India or Pakistan. The ruler at the time chose India after Pakistani irregulars attempted to intimidate the ruler into joining Pakistan.

The reason for this is that all the Hindu gods and the origins of Hinduism are from the Himalaya and Kashmir region. We've already given them half of the land and now they want to talk away the holy places that are ours. And THAT is why we fight. THAT is why the BJP is gaining support and has already (after the terrorist attacks this weekend) started to turn more support in five Indian states.

Every government has their faults, and I will not deny what the rabble did killing innocent Christians was not good. In all honesty I don't even think the Christians had anything to do with the attack (probably Maoist rebels).

When the British left they helped decide whether Kashmir would go to India or Pakistan. The ruler at the time chose India after Pakistani irregulars attempted to intimidate the ruler into joining Pakistan.

From Wikipedia:

Pakistan's claims to the disputed region are based on the rejection of Indian claims to Kashmir, namely the Instrument of Accession. Pakistan insists that the Maharaja was not a popular leader, and was regarded as a tyrant by most Kashmiris. Pakistan also accuses India of hypocrisy, as it refused to recognize the accession of Junagadh to Pakistan and Hyderabad's independence, on the grounds that those two states had Hindu majorities (in fact, India occupied and forcibly integrated those two territories). Furthermore, as he had fled Kashmir due to Pakistani invasion, Pakistan asserts that the Maharaja held no authority in determining Kashmir's future. Additionally, Pakistan argues that even if the Maharaja had any authority in determining the plight of Kashmir, he signed the Instrument of Accession under duress, thus invalidating the legitimacy of his actions.

The reason for this is that all the Hindu gods and the origins of Hinduism are from the Himalaya and Kashmir region. We've already given them half of the land and now they want to talk away the holy places that are ours. And THAT is why we fight

Crusading? Huh?

How about we let the people decide where they wish their nation to go?

Originally Posted by hooahguy

sadly, the chabad(jewish outreach) rabbi and his wife (who im related to) have been killed.....

Wow, I'm so sorry to hear that.

My deepest condolences.

Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon

I don't know what planet you're on. The beginning of the fight for Kashmir started when Muslim rulers began to become intolerant towards the Hindu religion and they began destroying Hindu shrines and killing them. Many committed suicide to prevent themselves from having to change religion or leave their country.

When the British left they helped decide whether Kashmir would go to India or Pakistan. The ruler at the time chose India after Pakistani irregulars attempted to intimidate the ruler into joining Pakistan.

The reason for this is that all the Hindu gods and the origins of Hinduism are from the Himalaya and Kashmir region. We've already given them half of the land and now they want to talk away the holy places that are ours. And THAT is why we fight. THAT is why the BJP is gaining support and has already (after the terrorist attacks this weekend) started to turn more support in five Indian states.

Every government has their faults, and I will not deny what the rabble did killing innocent Christians was not good. In all honesty I don't even think the Christians had anything to do with the attack (probably Maoist rebels).

Historical precedents are not a legitimate reason to go claiming lands anymore, if thats the case the entire world would be in trouble.

Also you certainly represent no one, so stop the we and them act. Oh and the BJP are a fascist party that believes in the Hindutva a fascist ideology thats hellbent on killing everyone and force converting them to hinduism, they aren't really any different from the islamic terrorists really.

And the catch all "dey alqueda terrists!!!111" is just a lazy attempt at ignoring the real problem of india, and trying to solve it by ignoring it entirely. This will keep the bloody circle of violence alive and bury ghandis legacy even further into the ground.