hoplita haploi?, this is sparta!

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · 11-29-2008, 23:44

I thought the helots made up ranks of units such as skirmishers, slingers, and peltasts. Did the Spartans ever equip the helots as hoplites?

**Megalos Danielos Psychopatos** · 11-30-2008, 00:00

They didn't. But they used them as a light missile infantry and porters;fighting at Platei They had 5000 homoioi, 5000 hoplites perioioi and about 35 000 helots for example. When Sparta started falling, They started to give full laws to some part of helots, but even then they probably didn't fight as hoplites...

Soorry for my poor english.

**Maion Maroneios** · 11-30-2008, 00:37

Originally Posted by Megalos Danielos Psychopatos

They didn't. But they used them as a light missile infantry and porters;fighting at Platei They had 5000 homoioi, 5000 hoplites perioioi and about 35 000 helots for example. When Sparta started falling, They started to give full laws to some part of helots, but even then they probably didn't fight as hoplites...

Soorry for my poor english.

They did. See this:
http://books.google.gr/books?id=htg5...um=6&ct=result

As what you said about the Homioi and Perikoikoi, it's true. As true as what you said about the Heilotes, with the only wrong part being what you mentioned as last. They did fight as hoplites, that's a fact.

Maion

**desert** · 11-30-2008, 03:29

Then again, Sparta isn't the ONLY city in that whole area. So why shouldn't those other cities, once assimilated into the subjunctive, be able to recruit levy hoplites?

**Maion Maroneios** · 11-30-2008, 10:48

Originally Posted by desert

Then again, Sparta isn't the ONLY city in that whole area. So why shouldn't those other cities, once assimilated into the subjunctive, be able to recruit levy hoplites?

Another good point, even though poleis that where under Spartan rule where not permitted to have their own standing military, for obvious reasons.

Maion

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 11-30-2008, 13:41

Weel, the Helots are all gone by this point.

On the other hand, the Spartans are very much impoverished and there a citizens who can't afford full panoply, or their mess bills.

**antisocialmunky** · 11-30-2008, 15:42

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Weel, the Helots are all gone by this point.

On the other hand, the Spartans are very much impoverished and there a citizens who can't afford full panoply, or their mess bills.

Yes, the Corinthian War saw SPARTA!!!! losing its Helot privileges. By the time you can actually afford to make a spam army(just south of Pella), you're going to having to march too far north for Sparta to work logistically. Or dead.

Don't forget that Mercs 'R Us is just south.