A little tip for the English

**rabcarl** · 12-03-2008, 05:23

When playing as the English in the early period you are given an emissary and you can bribe the rebel army in Wales at the very beginning of the game for a few Welsh longbowmen at the very beginning of the game to give yourself a leg up on the competition early on.

Hope that helped!

**Martok** · 12-03-2008, 07:13

Welcome to the Org, rabcarl!

Yes, bribing the Welsh garrison for their Longbows is indeed a much-used and time-honored tactic for the English.

**Kaidonni** · 12-03-2008, 16:11

Bribe those Longbowman? Really? How exploitative of the limitations of the game, seriously! I would *never* do such a dishonourable thing, never!

Of course I've done it.

I will also say welcome to the Org.

**Roark** · 12-04-2008, 00:12

1. Welcome to the board.
2. Welsh Longbowmen rule!

**bamff** · 12-04-2008, 05:17

Welcome, rabcarl - always good to see a new face in the halls!

Now ladies and gentlemen, please refresh my memory - is there a substantial difference in price in relation to the turn on which one's emissary offers said bags of florins to the Welshmen?

**Peasant Phill** · 12-04-2008, 08:32

I believe there is. However, I can't remember if you had to be early or not to get the best price.

**HopAlongBunny** · 12-08-2008, 17:42

Welcome to the .org rabcarl

**caravel** · 12-08-2008, 20:37

I'm not sure of the exact numbers here but the rebel generals' base loyalty is usually 0 or somewhere in the negative part of the scale at the start of a campaign. Even if a rebel general is governor of Constantinople you won't necessarily see the effects of the title as his loyalty could be -3 or worse. You also won't necessarily see the effects of loyalty boosting virtues on rebel generals with negative loyalty for the same reasons. It seems to be the case that as time goes on, the rebel generals' loyalty worsens. I have tested this when switching to the rebel faction late in a campaign and have noticed that none of the titles have any effect on loyalty, I've also tested the title for Constantinople and this is the same. It's only fair to assume that without a leader and due to constantly losing battles, the rebel generals' loyalty goes off the scale, negatively, after a time and does not recover. Also it definitely does seems to the case that there is also a hardcoded loyalty penalty for being or turning rebel.

**Fagar** · 12-08-2008, 22:29

I have noticed that with the Longbowmen and also in particular with El Cid if you get to them in the first turn they are relatively cheap around 2500 Florins but if you wait one turn they are around double that.
Possibly in the first year they have no provincial loyalty at all but after a year have established themselves as generals of the province and thus cost more.

**caravel** · 12-08-2008, 22:34

Originally Posted by Fagar

I have noticed that with the Longbowmen and also in particular with El Cid if you get to them in the first turn they are relatively cheap around 2500 Florins but if you wait one turn they are around double that.
Possibly in the first year they have no provincial loyalty at all but after a year have established themselves as generals of the province and thus cost more.

Yes, bribing the rebels before titles get assigned is a good idea, though if you wait the price will come down as loyalty drops again. It's not so much the provincial loyalty (happiness) but the personal loyalty that is the factor.

**chris34au** · 12-09-2008, 00:44

when i try to bribe El Cid on the first turn, it will usually say that it'll take 3,375 florins but most of the time, it will increase the asking price to around 8,000 florins when the emmisary actually arrives. i have a lot more luck getting Valencia for 3,375 florins on turn 2 or later but maybe other's have different experiences with this.

**caravel** · 12-09-2008, 00:55

That makes sense. Once title is assigned the Emissary re evaluates the bribe cost... I had thought that he would not re-evaluate based on this but only on extra units added to the army stack.