A little tip for the English

[rabcarl]

When playing as the English in the early period you are given an emissary and you can bribe the rebel army in Wales at the very beginning of the game for a few Welsh longbowmen at the very beginning of the game to give yourself a leg up on the competition early on.

Hope that helped!

[Martok]

Welcome to the Org, rabcarl!


Yes, bribing the Welsh garrison for their Longbows is indeed a much-used and time-honored tactic for the English.

[Kaidonni]

Bribe those Longbowman? Really? How exploitative of the limitations of the game, seriously! I would *never* do such a dishonourable thing, never!

Of course I've done it.

I will also say welcome to the Org.

[Roark]

1. Welcome to the board.
2. Welsh Longbowmen rule!

[bamff]

Welcome, rabcarl - always good to see a new face in the halls!

Now ladies and gentlemen, please refresh my memory - is there a substantial difference in price in relation to the turn on which one's emissary offers said bags of florins to the Welshmen?

[Peasant Phill]

I believe there is. However, I can't remember if you had to be early or not to get the best price.

[Knight of the Rose]

Is there a thread on how to calculate a bribe? Say cost of unit including valor + level of general times something. Is the timer in the equation, and what about the level of the emmisary and the influence of your king? What about province loyalty? Rebel stacks cost what, a fifth of faction stacks?

How do we know? I MUST KNOW!!!

/KotR

NB: Wellcome to the forum rabcarl, in old norse that nick would hint "fast warrior", is that the case?

[I of the Storm]

Doesn't this depend on the rebel general actually? It's his loyality after all that determines the bribe, isn't it?
Oh, welcome rabcarl!

[Wasp]

Doesn't this depend on the rebel general actually? It's his loyality after all that determines the bribe, isn't it?
Oh, welcome rabcarl!

I don't think he even has loyalty (since he's a rebel, to whom would he? Himself?)

Welcome, rabcarl!

[I of the Storm]

Not sure, tbh. But I remember that sometimes I do fail in bribing a rebel stack, and it says someting about my diplomat being unable to bribe the guy because his loyalty was too high. VnV's involved? Dice roll?

[seireikhaan]

Rebel generals do have a loyalty rating. However, as a general rule, it will almost always be zero. Generally, the only rebels with loyalty ratings are those who are governors of certain provinces- for example, if Constantinople is lost to rebellion, the game will still assign the governor title to one of the rebels, thus giving the +4 loyalty the title bestows.

[Ironside]

Doesn't this depend on the rebel general actually? It's his loyality after all that determines the bribe, isn't it?
Oh, welcome rabcarl!

Aye and power of the army. Even rebels can occcationally have loyalty (they got 0 normally), making them quite expensive to bribe.

Not sure, tbh. But I remember that sometimes I do fail in bribing a rebel stack, and it says someting about my diplomat being unable to bribe the guy because his loyalty was too high. VnV's involved? Dice roll?

Dice roll, but loaded, atlleast by the stars of the emissary and probably the bribing v&v as well. Loyalty seems to only affect the size of the bribe.

[I of the Storm]

Again, there's always something new to discover about good old MTW.

[HopAlongBunny]

Welcome to the .org rabcarl

[caravel]

I'm not sure of the exact numbers here but the rebel generals' base loyalty is usually 0 or somewhere in the negative part of the scale at the start of a campaign. Even if a rebel general is governor of Constantinople you won't necessarily see the effects of the title as his loyalty could be -3 or worse. You also won't necessarily see the effects of loyalty boosting virtues on rebel generals with negative loyalty for the same reasons. It seems to be the case that as time goes on, the rebel generals' loyalty worsens. I have tested this when switching to the rebel faction late in a campaign and have noticed that none of the titles have any effect on loyalty, I've also tested the title for Constantinople and this is the same. It's only fair to assume that without a leader and due to constantly losing battles, the rebel generals' loyalty goes off the scale, negatively, after a time and does not recover. Also it definitely does seems to the case that there is also a hardcoded loyalty penalty for being or turning rebel.

[Fagar]

I have noticed that with the Longbowmen and also in particular with El Cid if you get to them in the first turn they are relatively cheap around 2500 Florins but if you wait one turn they are around double that.
Possibly in the first year they have no provincial loyalty at all but after a year have established themselves as generals of the province and thus cost more.

[caravel]

I have noticed that with the Longbowmen and also in particular with El Cid if you get to them in the first turn they are relatively cheap around 2500 Florins but if you wait one turn they are around double that.
Possibly in the first year they have no provincial loyalty at all but after a year have established themselves as generals of the province and thus cost more.

Yes, bribing the rebels before titles get assigned is a good idea, though if you wait the price will come down as loyalty drops again. It's not so much the provincial loyalty (happiness) but the personal loyalty that is the factor.

[chris34au]

when i try to bribe El Cid on the first turn, it will usually say that it'll take 3,375 florins but most of the time, it will increase the asking price to around 8,000 florins when the emmisary actually arrives. i have a lot more luck getting Valencia for 3,375 florins on turn 2 or later but maybe other's have different experiences with this.

[caravel]

That makes sense. Once title is assigned the Emissary re evaluates the bribe cost... I had thought that he would not re-evaluate based on this but only on extra units added to the army stack.

[Lokiss]

One of the oldest tricks in the book, and one of the most intuitive :)

[oz_wwjd]

Still I've had problems bribing that particular Welsh general sometimes,then when I finally get him I find that he has a 150% increased cost from all my attempts. Anyone else notice this happening?

[Fagar]

yeah I have encountered the same thing in Wales.
I guess I hadn't thought about it too much and just put it down to being worth nearly any cost to get Longbowmen so early.
Thinking about it now the benefit of Longbowmen early is probably why the bribe cost is set so high.