Koinon Hellenon Generals Are Lame

[tapanojum]

Just started a Massalia game, where I cheated in order to get my entire starting army from Greece to Massalia and Emporium. My first battle in this game, I send a 3/4th stack against a half stack rebel town nearby, mostly levies against my 2 Generals, 4 Celto-Helenic Infantry, 2 Massalian Hoplights, 2 Celtic Archers, Skirmishers, Hellenic Cavalry Skirmishers.

All is going great, until my Faction Leader dies to the Gaul General Bodyguard (Brihim s/p). Even though the enemy general was surrounded by 4 units of spearmen.

*sigh* at least he was in his 60's and to die soon anyways. As I am almost done with the battle, fighting the last unit of Heavy Infantry in the town square, my second general dies.

I just quit out of frustration.

Enemy General survives being surrounded by countless spearmen, in fact, he's the only one to survive out of the entire unit.

Yet both MY generals die with almost full strength units. They are nearly the first casualties out of their own bodyguard unit. What the hell!




[Rant Over]

[Cute Wolf]

I think your generals got Hypocondriac, or another HP reducing traits... so he will quite easily killed than his bodyguards... anyway, I think KH generals are good Indeed... for Roleplay... they can present a general who share the toils of becoming foot soldier

[Maion Maroneios]

It's true that unmounted generals are less effective than mounted ones, but they can be very good if used properly. But certainly, the Koinon Bodyguards can die easier than mounted ones, as they are more likely to get killed by a single cavalry charge from the left or even the front. Use them purely as shock troops and be conservative, don't tire them too much and your guys will wok wonders.

Maion

[Obelics]

also as a general rule, never make your on-foot general fight on the walls, it's one of the more easy way to make him killed, or fall down accidentely.

[tapanojum]

I wish it was any of those things you guys have listed.

The faction leader was in good condition given his health, the younger general had several +1hp traits and spearcarrier/etc.

The faction leader died while charging the rear of the cavalry in the beggening of the fight. He was fresh.

The second general died towards the end, he was tired, but one of over 1000 units that had sorrounded the last heavy infantry.

It was a small Gaul town with only wooden fences.

Last time I played as Massalia, I had similar experiences. Such as a general being the first casualty of war from a Carthigian charge head on into spears XD

I may just have to resort to turning my generals into Triari. They watch from the back of the lines, and only fight when they absolutely need to haha

[Grriffon]

I wish it was any of those things you guys have listed.

The faction leader was in good condition given his health, the younger general had several +1hp traits and spearcarrier/etc.

The faction leader died while charging the rear of the cavalry in the beggening of the fight. He was fresh.

The second general died towards the end, he was tired, but one of over 1000 units that had sorrounded the last heavy infantry.

It was a small Gaul town with only wooden fences.

Last time I played as Massalia, I had similar experiences. Such as a general being the first casualty of war from a Carthigian charge head on into spears XD

I may just have to resort to turning my generals into Triari. They watch from the back of the lines, and only fight when they absolutely need to haha

When I play Rome, Triarii form my battle lines, lol. As for foot generals, I'm really not a fan of them, but it could be worse. I've had a few early casualties with foot generals but it seems like EVERY time I get into melee with a Casse general he is always one of the first 5 soldiers to die. So, roleplay that your general cheated at dice, his men stabbed him in the back, and move on

[mcantu]

what difficulty level do you play on?

to protect the general during cav charges, hit the 'f' key just before his unit reaches the enemy. he will stop to the horn-blowing/rally thing while the rest of the unit charges in...