The Golden Rule [Concluded]

[seireikhaan]

Pizzaguy, how much input does the mafia get in writeups?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I write them myself, but someone had asked if they could suggest a method of murder.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: YLC

For slinking out of your cabin. Where were you?

[Beefy187]

Vote: YLC

For slinking out of your cabin. Where were you?

I interpreted that YLC was freaked out by the first murder attempt and went for a better hide out by default.

But if there is a reason behind it, I would like to know to..

(My head aches.. Why did I peek the Hunk thread )

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why did I peek the Hunk thread

Quoted for truth.

Why, indeed!

[Beefy187]

Quoted for truth.

Why, indeed!

Don't expect me to come back to org for a while... At least not for another day. I dont know if its the Hunk Thread or the 32 mandarin oranges I ate today, but I am feeling really really sick. I bet my 2 penny on the mandarin because I'm supposed to be immune to male nudes and boys love>

[Askthepizzaguy]

I bet my 2 penny on the mandarin because I'm supposed to be immune to male nudes and boys love>

Over the years I've built up a strong immunity. All you have to do is stare at it for a very, very long time, and eventually, it becomes less exciting. The only problem with that is, you end up looking for more, and then it becomes an addictive obsession.

Uh... I mean...

I like women. Lots and lots of hot women. Oh, yes, women. Mmmm. So good.

[ULC]

To answer the question why I was out of my room, I have no clue - I received no PM asking if I wanted to, or never once sent a PM to ask that I leave my room. So I am at a bit of a loss as to why I was not in my room. But I would like to point out something - we had 3 murder attempts, not 2. To me, this means we have a handful of options.

1) Vigilante, Traitor, FBI Agent
2) 2 Traitors, FBI Agent
3) 2 FBI Agents, Traitor

Either way, I think I and SK have a attracted a lot of attention to have us targeted and framed in such a way, and I think this requires communication between at least two of the attackers - the 2nd and 3rd more precisely. The first attempted to use a "syringe" filled with "poison", to me this is most likely our FBI agent, since this seems to implicate Khaan - yet the very next murder someone uses "surgical tools" to try and kill GH, yet another attempt to implicate Khaan, which sounds like no communication at all between the two, and thus we can actually discount Khaan from the suspects - people are actually trying to frame someone and doing a horrible job of it.

We don't have much on the third except that I seem to have attracted their attention, so this is either an FBI agent or Vigilante - FBI because I believe the first attack was FBI and thus they wanted to make sure I was dead, or Vigilante because I am extremely suspicious and to them I am better dead then alive.

Two other peculiar things - Yoyoma was implicated for some reason by Ares for a breach of "trust"? Why? We can't ask Ares, but we can ask Yoyoma - So please explain Yoyoma.

Vote: Yoyoma

The second anomaly is that everyone attacked on the same night - no build up at all, just a sudden 3 murder attempts. To me that sounds like our killers (possible Vig) received a PM stating that they could kill finally. But what changed to allow this? What was the trigger?

[Chaotix]

This is indeed very odd. Why three attempted kills all of a sudden when we're only supposed to have two SK roles? For now, I am very unsure of who to vote for. This will likely change if Yoyoma makes an explanationn for himself.

Vote: Yoyoma

[woad&fangs]

FoS: Khaan and YLC
Khaan for being the plastic surgeon and YLC for being out of his cabin. Its nice to have some actual nightime evidence to go off of.

edit: according to ATPG a few posts back, 1 murderer suggested a method of murder and the other 2 didn't. I don't know who is made suspicious by this yet, but it is more evidence.

[Yoyoma1910]

Well, I don't know why I was implicated during Ares lynching.


I assume it's because I've been constantly antagonizing him throughout the whole process.

[GeneralHankerchief]

All right, I've got about 20 minutes to kill. Let's try to break this down.

What we know:

- There were three attempted murders last night. This means that there are at least three people on board with the ability to murder. There is probably at least one vigilante in there, since the traitor and FBI agent are the only known bad guys.

- One of the attempts, a would-be heartectomy on me, was done in the style that would seem to implicate sereikhaan, who is the plastic surgeon. I voted khaan last night in a knee-jerk reaction (does anybody else's heart pound when you see your name in bold?).

- Two separate attempts were made on YLC last night. YLC was out of his room during the second attempt.

- ATPG has stated that the murderers can influence the kill scenes by suggesting means to kill people.

What we think:

- Judging by the failure of three separate kill attempts, there are probably too many people still to kill successfully. The baddies are lucky that none of them got caught.

- Two of the murder attempts had actual descriptions to them: YLC #1's and mine. According to woad, ATPG said that there was one attempt last night where the bad guy contributed. This means there's a 50% chance that khaan (the plastic surgeon) is being framed. However, if the murder attempt that had mafia influence was YLC #1's... khaan is our man more than likely.

- YLC was out of his room during the second attempt on his life. He claims ignorance. It's possible that he was just hiding elsewhere, and it may just be standard practice that once one attempt on your life is made, you're immune for the rest of the night. Time will tell on this. Of course, he might also be doing detective work, or, if these kills are in chronological order, he was the one who tried to kill me.

What we're not sure of:

- Ares in his lynching scene tried to kill Yoyoma, implicating him for some crime. It was said in one of the "Agent 824" descriptions that the FBI agent, when cornered, would strike back with deadly force. However, Yoyoma has also pointed out that he's been gunning for Ares since the start.

- We don't know exactly who tried to kill last night - whether the FBI agent, traitor, and a vigilante was involved, or some other combination. This complicates things somewhat. The town isn't sure what it's up against.

- YLC's dream seems to implicate that he is not the FBI agent, but I would discount this as a red herring.

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I think, if we lynch YLC tonight, we'll get a few answers. We can use it to determine how many murder attempts there will be tomorrow or see if anybody else leaves their room, etc. In addition, it's well-known that khaan has been pushing for YLC's lynch very hard for a long time now. We'll see if YLC tries something similar that Ares did in the lynching writeup.

Unvote: khaan
Vote: YLC

[shlin28]

Interesting night actions.........

To GH:

- Judging by the failure of three separate kill attempts, there are probably too many people still to kill successfully. The baddies are lucky that none of them got caught.

Waitaminute, when did the host say this? ATPG only said "This is not your typical mafia game, and night phases will be uneventful for the most part. The traitor or traitors will have difficulty killing anyone. Simply make the correct guess and you are home free. As the game progresses however, it will become more dangerous.", which did not say how the number of people affect the chances of one killing another.



Vote: GH (Going against the crowd until someone proves that I am blind...)

On a more general analysis of that write-up, the most obvious explaination for 3 attempts is that there is a vigilante, but perhaps we should consider other possibilities? Like several traitors? Perhaps due to recruitment/initial roles given by da host? After all the host did say "Traitor or Traitors" in the first post... on the off chance that this is possibly correct we must tread carefully...

[Yoyoma1910]

General, I like your analysis, but I would like to add a few points from last night's senario:

Night Six

In YLC's cabin, our lord and conqueror was fast asleep, dreaming of winning Pizzaguy's mafia game and getting all the gold for himself. However, this perhaps was not to be, for the cabin's door lock was picked open. A shadowy figure entered the room, and a gleam of light flashed off of the needle he was holding.

YLC awoke with a start, and noticed his room had been broken into.

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The intruder took out his tool kit and used tranquilizers to ensure that GH would not wake up. Then he took out his surgical tools and began to make a precision cut into GeneralHankerchief's chest cavity. He was just about to remove the pulsating heart when he heard shuffling behind him in the hall.

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Back in YLC's cabin, another intruder moved in for the kill, but YLC was nowhere to be found. The would-be murderer slipped away, and remained undetected.

I write them myself, but someone had asked if they could suggest a method of murder.

1.) YLC was dreaming of winning the game, and having everything for himself. Someone is going to murder him with a syringe, but fails. He then wakes up.

2.) Someone attempts to make an obvious surgical style kill, but hears movement behind him, and flees.

3.) YLC is absent from his cabin, during a murder which states no method.



My theory is this: 'Khaan, the surgeon, who would have syringes, tried to off YLC. YLC then tried to off you, and plant evidence that would imply it was 'Khaan. And then someone else also tried to eliminate YLC.

Also, my thought is the the FBI agent won't get a kill, but instead a defense. It seems his job is to collect information.

From the opening post:

Any FBI agent would not simply kill them, he would be waiting for the appropriate moment to contact headquarters, gathering information every night. But if cornered, the FBI agent could use deadly force to defend himself.

I then believe the murders were split up between vigilantes and traitors.

[ULC]

Speaking of "But if cornered, the FBI agent could use deadly force to defend himself", maybe the FBI agent can only make a kill attempt if a kill attempt has been made upon him? That would be very hard to balance though, so it is unlikely. Nonetheless, in my opinion, GH is the only trustworthy person onboard the entire ship, he is basically cleared by having someone trying to open him up Aztec-style. His plan is a sound one, although if what was in the Lynch write up is meaningless (as in the case of El Diablo and Ares), then my lynch won't help at all - The Vigilante(s) obviously want me dead, so more then likely, I am dead this night anyway, so my lynch maybe a waste. I'll bet dimes to dollars that when I am lynched, I will say something about Khaan, and then the town will come down on him.

So we need to decide - do we bother to pay attention to the lynches and lynch based on them, or go only for the night write ups? The lynches may be meaningless, but we know they cannot be interfered with, or do we go with the night write ups, which we know can be tampered with?

Thoughts?

[woad&fangs]

vote:GeneralHankerchief

Shlin brings up a good point. Where has ATPG stated that the traitors/FBI could get caught if they don't succeed with their kill? I don't remember seeing that anywhere in the thread but it is the kind of thing I would expect to see in a mafioso PM.

My earlier FoS remains in place by the way. Its just that GH now seems like a prime suspect until he responds.

[woad&fangs]

One more thing. WTF was with the attempt on GH? Who the heck tries to kill a person by cutting out their still beating heart?

That seems like a pscho serial killer style kill, not a FBI/rogue gangster style hit. Is this one the one where the mafia had a say in the writeup or is that style just to be expected from ATPG?

[ULC]

One more thing. WTF was with the attempt on GH? Who the heck tries to kill a person by cutting out their still beating heart?

That seems like a pscho serial killer style kill, not a FBI/rogue gangster style hit. Is this one the one where the mafia had a say in the writeup or is that style just to be expected from ATPG?

Have you played his other games WF? The man literally loves to kill the players in the most gory fashion as possible, even if there is no call for it. In his Simpson's game, Lisa was turned into a torso, in my Resident Evil game, he was always very descriptive in how he ate his victims as a zombie.

[woad&fangs]

No, I haven't played his other games. So I guess the kill wasn't as weird as I thought it was.

[GeneralHankerchief]

vote:GeneralHankerchief

Shlin brings up a good point. Where has ATPG stated that the traitors/FBI could get caught if they don't succeed with their kill? I don't remember seeing that anywhere in the thread but it is the kind of thing I would expect to see in a mafioso PM.

My earlier FoS remains in place by the way. Its just that GH now seems like a prime suspect until he responds.

He didn't. I was making an inference based on the reason he stated for why early kill attempts would fail.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also, this ATPG post is screwing with me when it comes to how many bad guys there are:

Just a reminder to my little friend; don't forget to send in your murder selection during the day phase, if any.

(Maybe he forgot?)

...which would seem to imply that there's only one traitor.

[woad&fangs]

unvote: GH for now...

what happened to Reenk? It seems like his activity has been really down the last couple of days...

[shlin28]

GH's reasonings sorta convince me, although you are still on my radar

Unvote: GH. Vote: YLC

Let's test your hypothesis regarding what the host would write when you are lynched.

[ULC]

...and not being able to post on the golden rule mafia game is killing me ...

No offense to anyone, but this caught my attention and hasn't let go of it - Why would Ares be itching to say something in the thread unless something did go on between Yoyoma and Ares. You have something to hide Yoyoma, spill it. My votes not moving because of this, until it is answered to my satisfaction.

[Yoyoma1910]

No offense to anyone, but this caught my attention and hasn't let go of it - Why would Ares be itching to say something in the thread unless something did go on between Yoyoma and Ares. You have something to hide Yoyoma, spill it. My votes not moving because of this, until it is answered to my satisfaction.

I had no connection or interaction with Aries concerning this game except exactly what I put in this thread.

I'm sure several of the people who have passed on would like to say something as well. Quintus has already post death posted, and knowing White Eyes, he's probably going nuts not being able to say anything right now, as I'm sure you're likely aware.

[seireikhaan]

Hmm...

Unvote: YLC

Vote: Yoyoma

I'm seeing lots of chitchat from you, but no voting. I mislike this. Further, you keep talking as though you clearly believe the writeup indicates me as a mafioso/serial killer, yet you refuse to vote for me. Waiting to see if any momentum for my lynch arises? As for the writeups: well, I think you can guess my view on whether or not I'm being framed.

As well- FoS: YLC- You're still on my radar, just not as high as Yoyoma for the time being.


EDIT: Tally

Yoyoma 4 (Beefy, YLC, Chaotix, seireikhaan)
YLC 2 (GH, Shlin

[GeneralHankerchief]

Since it looks like Yoyoma is going down, I'm going to do a little experiment.

Unvote: YLC
Vote: Tevash

-edit- Post 5,555, woo!

[TevashSzat]

CLASSIFIED FBI LOG
Agent 824, Headquarters

Reports indicate that the criminals on board the tanker are starting to panic, a sharp change in behavior from the previous nights. I am uncertain how to proceed, because I feel that now is not the time to reveal myself.

Okay, this makes me thinks that the FBI has not attempted to kill anyone yet. However, there were 3 kills meaning that if one of them were from the traitor, there would be 2 vigilantes. How wierd.....Is there more than one traitor????

Since it looks like Yoyoma is going down, I'm going to do a little experiment.

Unvote: YLC
Vote: Tevash

-edit- Post 5,555, woo!

??????

[Yoyoma1910]

Hmm...

Unvote: YLC

Vote: Yoyoma

I'm seeing lots of chitchat from you, but no voting. I mislike this. Further, you keep talking as though you clearly believe the writeup indicates me as a mafioso/serial killer, yet you refuse to vote for me. Waiting to see if any momentum for my lynch arises? As for the writeups: well, I think you can guess my view on whether or not I'm being framed.

As well- FoS: YLC- You're still on my radar, just not as high as Yoyoma for the time being.


EDIT: Tally

Yoyoma 4 (Beefy, YLC, Chaotix, seireikhaan)
YLC 2 (GH, Shlin

I thought you were a vigilante.

Anyway, do what you want.

[Beefy187]

Just letting you guys know that I recovered from mysterious head ache