The Golden Rule [Concluded]

**Reenk Roink** · 12-22-2008, 17:50

Well this is different. Most games usually prohibit no lynch votes because it is so easy to avoid lynching (and makes it much harder for the Mafia). It takes a nice combination of abstains and maybe ties to get the result of a no lynch and so that route is much more satisfying.

Still, as a big proponent of the no lynch movement, I will use it. But not just yet, seireikhaan seems eager for a lynch, and that makes me eager for his...

**seireikhaan** · 12-22-2008, 17:52

Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Still, as a big proponent of the no lynch movement, I will use it. But not just yet, seireikhaan seems eager for a lynch, and that makes me eager for his...

I suppose you have an alternative method of catching the traitor?

**Quintus.JC** · 12-22-2008, 18:03

Originally Posted by seireikhaan

I suppose you have an alternative method of catching the traitor?

Alright, alright... Vote: Khann. Happy now.

**seireikhaan** · 12-22-2008, 18:04

Originally Posted by Quintus.JC

Alright, alright... Vote: Khann. Happy now.

No.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Quintus.JC** · 12-22-2008, 17:55

Yeah Seriekhann seems especially eagar to see me die. Why does no one listen to me! The mafia cannot win unless he start killing, we are only helping him if we start killing each other.

FoS: Khann

**seireikhaan** · 12-22-2008, 18:01

Originally Posted by Quintus.JC

Yeah Seriekhann seems especially eagar to see me die. Why does no one listen to me! The mafia cannot win unless he start killing, we are only helping him if we start killing each other.

FoS: Khann

So you really think the traitor will not start killing if we do not lynch anyone? That's like playing prevent defense, it only prevents the town from winning.

Additionally, only through voting can we ferret out the mafia. Best example, methinks, is Prometheus. Myself, Reenk, and Pizzaguy, when it came down to actually having to lodge votes, voted very similarly. This game is following a similar pattern in that there are no early kills. Is the mafia(traitor) bribing others to join him?

Regardless, if we are to win, we MUST vote. If we do not, discussion is meaningless, as people can state whatever they want with near impunity. Make them back up their talk with conviction.

**Quintus.JC** · 12-22-2008, 18:04

Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Additionally, only through voting can we ferret out the mafia. Best example, methinks, is Prometheus. Myself, Reenk, and Pizzaguy, when it came down to actually having to lodge votes, voted very similarly. This game is following a similar pattern in that there are no early kills. Is the mafia(traitor) bribing others to join him?

Sorry but I wasn't part of Prometheus and have little idea of what had happen in that game, but I'll take a peek now.

**Quintus.JC** · 12-22-2008, 18:05

Vote: seireikhaan

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Reenk Roink** · 12-22-2008, 18:13

I suppose you have an alternative method of catching the traitor?

Discussion! Like right now, you are making yourself suspicious to me just by talking. And Quintus.JC is making himself suspicious to you just by talking.

Mafia are stupid; they will make blatant mistakes. The only question is if they will be caught...

Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Additionally, only through voting can we ferret out the mafia. Best example, methinks, is Prometheus. Myself, Reenk, and Pizzaguy, when it came down to actually having to lodge votes, voted very similarly. This game is following a similar pattern in that there are no early kills. Is the mafia(traitor) bribing others to join him?

That was one game, in which you and Pizzaguy always found yourselves in deep trouble EVERY round.

Seamus and I in Mafia V never voted together except once. Proletariat and I in Rise of the Mob never voted together at all.

**Quintus.JC** · 12-22-2008, 18:20

Just checked Prometheaus. Khaan is right, if the mafia is able to recruit we're be in deep trouble. Blind lynches isn't going to do any good. Anway at this point I'm starting to see sense in starting lynching people.

Unvote: Khann

Start talking people...

**GeneralHankerchief** · 12-22-2008, 18:35

I'm with khaan on this one. Here's a transcript of what will happen if we all decide to vote no lynch:

Round 4
Person A: No lynch
Person B: No lynch
Person C: No lynch
Person D: No lynch
Person E: No lynch
Person F: No lynch
Person G: No lynch
Person H: No lynch
Person I: No lynch
Person J: No lynch
Person K: No lynch
Person L: No lynch

ATPG: Nobody lynched, nobody killed. Begin round 5.

Round 5

Person A: No lynch
Person B: No lynch
Person C: No lynch
Person D: No lynch
Person E: No lynch
Person F: No lynch
Person G: No lynch
Person H: No lynch
Person I: No lynch
Person J: No lynch
Person K: No lynch
Person L: No lynch

ATPG: ...

~~~~~~~~~~

Now, this may just be me, but the differences in posting behavior between Persons A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, and L aren't enough for me to determine who is mafia.

I'm down with some people voting no lynch, but there needs to be some sort of dissent and discussion or otherwise the above will happen. Ultimately it's just another easy bandwagon for the mafia to hide in.

**ULC** · 12-22-2008, 18:32

Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Mafia are stupid; they will make blatant mistakes. The only question is if they will be caught...

Ah, don't say that Reenk! I thought you made a smart mafia in the Prometheus

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But a quick question - is there a traitor and FBI agent? To me this wasn't made very clear. If we have both, then are they working together, or are they akin to two mafia families? Or, as has been suggested, one recruits, the other kills?

Hmmm, how bout I add something useful instead of just idle mullings about the nature of the mafia, and adding undue paranoia? What would happen if we never lynched at all? I mean, even if the mafia do recruit, they would start voting, or need to vote as a block or rather cunningly to win, otherwise suspicion immediately falls upon them. To me though, we should ignore that - not out of stupidity or just error, but rather because it may just lead us chasing ghosts, and letting the mafia laugh at us as we destroy ourselves in a fit of madness.

Shoot, I don't think I've added anything - I hate when all I have is my own private musings and nothing to go on, I sound like I am speaking in circles, or just mouthing rhetoric

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Dissect my post as usual at your own leisure. I'm going to go fall asleep and hope that my brain wakes up with me...

**Reenk Roink** · 12-22-2008, 21:59

Originally Posted by YLC

Ah, don't say that Reenk! I thought you made a smart mafia in the Prometheus

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I appreciate the kind words, but basically, I made the mistake of making my fake PM's contradictory with the hosts writeups. It's just that nobody but me noticed.

I'm not saying everybody no lynch's every round (that won't happen anyway). I'm just saying we have a good tool to delay the killings, let's use it when applicable.

**Yoyoma1910** · 12-22-2008, 23:06

Originally Posted by YLC

But a quick question - is there a traitor and FBI agent? To me this wasn't made very clear. If we have both, then are they working together, or are they akin to two mafia families? Or, as has been suggested, one recruits, the other kills?

Judging from the writeups, I definatly think we have an FBI agent, "Agent 824."

It also seems there is a traitor, unless that is the FBI agent.

There's also this line:

Everyone has revealed who they are, and so working out who the traitor is should be relatively simple.

??????