The Golden Rule [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Day Three


The tanker continued its voyage across the sea, and once again the men met to determine their fate. After the calm of yesterday, everyone seemed to be more at ease. Their weapons were drawn, but they were not nearly as tense.

But the votes were rattled off, and Quintus.JC was the clear winner, and he knew it. His weapon raised, and he looked at the men who voted for him and prepared to fire, but suddenly he dropped to the floor.

A spray of gunfire barely missed him, and he returned fire. Several of the crew jumped out of the way, but several were hit with bullets. Quintus looked around to see if he had any allies; but no one came to his rescue. So much for camaraderie.

"You were my friends..." He said, but a bullet tore through his chest, stopping his heart and knocking the wind out of him. His weapon dropped out of his lifeless hands.

The others escaped with some bullet wounds, but they did have a surgeon on board, and the rest were treated and bandaged up. The night would be a painful but uneventful one.

Night Three

No one stirred, and whatever traitorous element remained kept quiet and blended in with the others.



Begin Day Four.


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Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
Aries777777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

[Thermal]

i'm thinking now that there might not even be a mafia, and atpg is having us on, maybe the mafia can't kill, and they literally have to talk there way to a win and survive the lynches, this must be the safest mafia ever, considering its a board of thief's and bandits that surprises me, so.... another round of mindless voting i assume

[Beefy187]

i'm thinking now that there might not even be a mafia, and atpg is having us on, maybe the mafia can't kill, and they literally have to talk there way to a win and survive the lynches, this must be the safest mafia ever, considering its a board of thief's and bandits that surprises me, so.... another round of mindless voting i assume

American propaganda.. If everyone has guns, it will keep them safe

It would be really tough for the mafia though, if they cant kill. If my assumption of one traitor and one FBI is correct then also the assumption that those two aren't allies it is neigh impossible for the mafias to survive the game for that long.

So I suspect there is more then one on each teams. Otherwise this game is way too hard for the baddies.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In case there are any concerns, I worked very hard to balance the game. The bad guys have an equal chance of winning or losing.

[shlin28]

Wow, 14 hours after the write-up and no votes? What kind of twisted world are we living in???

Quintus seems to be innocent by the write-up, I dont see any visible clues in there, unlike ED's lynch.

Anyhoo, an answer to Chaotix's accusation (gotta start the discussion somewhere...):

I think that he's using his silly persona as a defense so that he can vote for anyone he wants, with really no reason. Just because he's attracting attention to himself does not label him as careless and therefore innocent. Right now, he feels the most suspicious to me.

You say I have used my "persona" as a shield, yet when have I used my "persona" as a defence from votes? If anything, it has attracted more votes for me (mainly because I am the only one doing it) . Seems a bit counterproductive no?

As for using it as an excuse, did my vote for Quintus came about because I want to kill him? No, it came about because he had suspicious voting activities, as noted by others.

Finally, your last point is perhaps the most sensible, of course I shouldn't be deemed innocent because I am roleplaying... but neither should I be on the top of the list when there are 13 other players who do not roleplay, and we cannot deem them innocent either could we?

Now, I decide to Vote: Chaotix, because of the stuff noted above and because he was one of the most lurkiest players here ('khaan has fewer posts but he answered other people's inquisitions quite suitably) This vote will be changed should new info become available.

You may call the vote a personal vendetta, I call it the spark that will ignite the whole discussion thingy.

[Chaotix]

Hm. The main reason I called you out before was because it seemed like you were roleplaying as a way to stay alive. Let me elaborate: You roleplay as a nutcase who wants to kill people. Yes, some people, like me, will think this is suspicious and vote for you for it. However, others will see it as you just acting silly: because if you were mafia, it would be a careless thing to do, so surely you must be a townie if you have such little regard for everyone else's suspicions on you. By the same card, you can, then, be mafia, and just be using reverse psychology. It's similar to ATPG's playstyle.

And I probably would have let you off now if it weren't for the revenge vote. Vote: shlin

Finally, as for my absence/lurking, this can be attributed to two things:

-For the most part the main discussion has been on subjects other than you, who I did not find as suspicious
-Christmas has kept me busy. Now that it's over, I should be able to devote more attention to mafia.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: YLC

For inventing reasons to vote for other players, for massive WIFOM, and for using WIFOM to defend your use of WIFOM.

[Yoyoma1910]

i hope im not put in the lime like for this but im doing u all a favour breaking the tie


unvote: W&F
vote: quintus
sorry but i think shlins innocent, hes always voted out soon, and he is roleplaying, sorry quinus, just to move us on i think your the more likely of the two

The tie was already broken by a Mr. Roink.

[Beefy187]

Vote: YLC

For inventing reasons to vote for other players, for massive WIFOM, and for using WIFOM to defend your use of WIFOM.

Although I liked your reasoning I think ill stick with Reenk for the time being.

I want to hear you defend your self before I go voting for another person

Vote:Reenk Roink

[ULC]

Sorry, was absent for a day celebrating with the family.

To answer SK's vote - yes, I used WIFOM, because believe it or not, it's how I think (not that it's erver really helped me ), and I cannot help that. I don't even see the WIFOM in my own posts how ever, although please notify me if my answers, questions posed, or questions answered are not satisfactory, and in what way, and I will try to answer correctly.

As to making up a reason to vote for someone, I never did, at least not in my eyes. GH voted for a very lazy and thoughtless action and I called him out on it, that was all. I had no one better to vote for, and GH seemed scummy to me, and yes, in the first round, I did a revenge vote because GH forced me to commit suicide in your own mafia (however funny and humiliating it maybe at the same time), but I voted him in the second round because of his vote, is there something else you want me to go on besides posting and voting behavior right now? If so, please point it out - an ignorant townie is sometimes worse then the mafia themselves.

[seireikhaan]

You accused GH of trying to "dominate the discussion with strawmen" when you voted for him. GH was not doing so, though he was indeed talking a little more than he usually does. When I called you out on it, you admitted it was flimsy(not that it even achieved that level of strength in reality) reasoning. However, you still vote him anyways. You claim to not see the WIFOM in your posts, yet you readily admit to using it prolifically.

[Reenk Roink]

Although I liked your reasoning I think ill stick with Reenk for the time being.

I want to hear you defend your self before I go voting for another person

Vote:Reenk Roink

Why are you so intent on killing me?

Vote: 187Beefyz

Retaliation vote yes, the most noble form of voting.

[ULC]

You accused GH of trying to "dominate the discussion with strawmen" when you voted for him. GH was not doing so, though he was indeed talking a little more than he usually does. When I called you out on it, you admitted it was flimsy(not that it even achieved that level of strength in reality) reasoning. However, you still vote him anyways. You claim to not see the WIFOM in your posts, yet you readily admit to using it prolifically.

Yes it was flimsy - I thought GH was trying to dominate the conversation by falsely accusing White Eyes, is that not a strawman? If not, please tell me what the real definition is so I do not use it incorrectly any further.

As for the WIFOM, no I do not see it, but you claim it is there, and thus I defer to your more experienced judgment on such matters - I take your word for it, since it can obviously be confirmed by other players and accusing someone based on "false" WIFOM me will only get the conversation turned on yourself.

[Thermal]

Why are you so intent on killing me?

Vote: 187Beefyz

Retaliation vote yes, the most noble form of voting.

vote:reenk roink

Beefy was asking to hear more from you, instead you do a OMGUS vote and don't answer or address his question and all this "retaliation" voting isn't useful for destroying the mafias, by simply attacking someone because they voted for you, even though there probably innocent

[Thermal]

confirm in an unedited post vote: reenk roink god this rule is annoying seeing as i edit almost all my posts

[Beefy187]

Why are you so intent on killing me?

Vote: 187Beefyz

Retaliation vote yes, the most noble form of voting.

Because you didn't give me a reason not to

Come lads, Let us not start a bandwagon on Reenk. We two are just casually questioning each other.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm tempted to vote everyone who's jumping on this ridiculous Reenk bandwagon, but I want answers from Tevash for this post:

Hmm.....GH voted for white_eyes a few post above yours. Were you trying to break the huge 1 vote tie to get someoney lynched?

Vote:Beefy

As for White_eyes I don't really see anything from him thats suspicious. Ares isn't acting that scummy either so I dunno who we should lynch....

Why did you say "I dunno who we should lynch" right after you voted Beefy?

Vote: Tevash

[seireikhaan]

Yes it was flimsy - I thought GH was trying to dominate the conversation by falsely accusing White Eyes, is that not a strawman? If not, please tell me what the real definition is so I do not use it incorrectly any further.

As for the WIFOM, no I do not see it, but you claim it is there, and thus I defer to your more experienced judgment on such matters - I take your word for it, since it can obviously be confirmed by other players and accusing someone based on "false" WIFOM me will only get the conversation turned on yourself.

Falsely accusing WhiteEyes(of what? He admitted to having mis-interpreted his statement, apologized, and unvoted White Eyes ) is not a strawman. A strawman would be ignoring WhiteEye's defense and continue attacking, which GH did not do. For the definition, here's wiki for you.

WIFOM= Wine In Front Of Me, referencing the scene from Princess Bride. "Well, I wouln't use such odd behavior if I was a mafioso, but I might do it if I knew that you knew I wouldn't use such odd behavior. Unless I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that I wouldn't use such odd behavior". Basically, that's what WIFOM is. Saying "Well, yes I'm using WIFOM" is in itself more WIFOM. You're practically oozing the stuff.

Also a negative towards your behavior was the self-preservation vote towards the end of the first round of voting.

[White_eyes:D]

Well, with no kills to go off of.....I choose Vote:No lynch....since my simple paranoia is not enough... (I still has no idea but even though you may vote for me for mentioning it GH...) I think we should look at the roles that got knocked off, maybe there is something there....and double check the write-ups....don't know maybe something is there?

[Yoyoma1910]

Gentlemen, compare last night's write up with the previous.

Do you think it's possible that Quintus was the FBI agent?



This round is going very interesting. Currently I'm going to vote:nolynch, but will likely change it.

[ULC]

Falsely accusing WhiteEyes(of what? He admitted to having mis-interpreted his statement, apologized, and unvoted White Eyes ) is not a strawman. A strawman would be ignoring WhiteEye's defense and continue attacking, which GH did not do. For the definition, here's wiki for you.

WIFOM= Wine In Front Of Me, referencing the scene from Princess Bride. "Well, I wouln't use such odd behavior if I was a mafioso, but I might do it if I knew that you knew I wouldn't use such odd behavior. Unless I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that I wouldn't use such odd behavior". Basically, that's what WIFOM is. Saying "Well, yes I'm using WIFOM" is in itself more WIFOM. You're practically oozing the stuff.

Also a negative towards your behavior was the self-preservation vote towards the end of the first round of voting.

He falsely accused White Eyes of being the "FBI agent" role, which he wasn't, and of trying to lynch people based on role, which had long dropped and even said that it wasn't a good basis. I had nothing at the time but this, so I pursued it, hoping something would come up. Nothing did, as you have pointed out. And thank you for the link, I hope to actually use "strawman" properly now

I did say I know what WIFOM means, in fact, that's how I think, by trying to think like another. I try to keep turning the crystal in my hands, seeing as many new angles and faucets as I can, to see things from different perspectives as much as possible. It may lead no where, it may lead somewhere, but that is how I think.

And I said I am using WIFOM because you say I am, how am I supposed to say I am using WIFOM without actually saying I am using WIFOM (which is more WIFOM?)? Please clarify.

As to the "Defensive Vote" (against El Diablo?), How else do you want me to explain it? He voted for me even though he said Ares was more suspicious, but I was the easy target, and I called him out on it. He even admitted to using that vote to try and save himself.

[TevashSzat]

I'm tempted to vote everyone who's jumping on this ridiculous Reenk bandwagon, but I want answers from Tevash for this post:



Why did you say "I dunno who we should lynch" right after you voted Beefy?

Vote: Tevash

Well, my vote for beefy was just basically a pressure vote to try to get him to talk. I had no intention of really gunning for him to be lynched and was just trying to get the discussion away from the fairly worthless discussion that was going on before.

As for my later statement, white_eyes and ares were in the lead to be lynched, but neither seem that scummy to me, which is what I was referring to.

[woad&fangs]

Vote: TevashSzat

After doing a quick readthrough of your posts it appears that you were the first to push for a mass reveal yet you then said this

Hmmm.....I dunno, we're still just randomly voting....I would think that ATPG assigned the roles randomly rather have some predetermined role be the FBI/traitor

[Beefy187]

Vote: TevashSzat

After doing a quick readthrough of your posts it appears that you were the first to push for a mass reveal yet you then said this

Its both effective. In round 1 there is very limited stuff to go on with, might as well reveal our roles so we got something to go on with. Also its nice feeling to know the talents amongst our gang.

What he later said is also correct. FBI agent and the traitor is not likely to be someone who is extremely obvious. So this is also likely to be true. Now we have a rather large WIFOM.

I don't blame Tevash for voting for me. However I do want to say I've been fairly active.... Well I hope so. So if you were really after pressure votes, weren't there better options?

[woad&fangs]

Tally

Chaotix-1
Shlin-1
YLC-1
Reenk-2
Beefy-1
Tevash-2
NoLynch-2

[Beefy187]

No lynch will be the case if there is a majority yes?

What if its a tie between few players and no lynch? Is there a possibility that it will be no lynch?

[Thermal]

No lynch will be the case if there is a majority yes?

What if its a tie between few players and no lynch? Is there a possibility that it will be no lynch?

not sure, by the way i wasn't really bandwagonning reenk, just agreeing that it would be nice to hear from him, and his response was very poor

unvote: reenk roink

i don't suppose no lynch will help at all, but i may have to use it seeing as the clues are pitiful

[Askthepizzaguy]

No lynch will be the case if there is a majority yes?

What if its a tie between few players and no lynch? Is there a possibility that it will be no lynch?

No lynch will be the case if there is a majority. I am not sure what I will do if no lynch ties with a person, I may just wait for a tiebreaker, or I might randomize it, or I might select whichever choice is worse for town.

[Quintus.JC]

So I come back from my little holiday and fmyself systematly lynched from all the games...

Go town

[Askthepizzaguy]

Chaotix-1
Shlin-1
YLC-1
Reenk-1
Beefy-1
Tevash-2
NoLynch-2


The tally is tied between No Lynch and TevashSzat. I have decided that the next vote will break the tie.

Vote