The Golden Rule [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I want to say here, I am loving this discussion. Everyone is doing a fairly good job at thinking critically and keeping an open mind.

[Chaotix]

Well, it seemed clear enough to me that we were running out of time. I think it would make for an extremely boring game if the town sat around and didn't lynch and the mafia sat around and didn't kill. In fact, if the town and mafia aren't trying to kill each other, it doesn't make for much of a game at all.

So I would therefore reason that since the FBI Agent's goal is to get rid of us all, he must have some other method to doing it than killing one of us each night. Perhaps that method is a time limit: some sort of a helicopter raid or something, that would take a certain amount of days to reach the tanker. We need to get rid of the Agent before he can order that attack.

I see YLC as looking for more reasons to stall, and that stands out as scummy to me.

Vote: YLC

[ULC]

Well, it seemed clear enough to me that we were running out of time. I think it would make for an extremely boring game if the town sat around and didn't lynch and the mafia sat around and didn't kill. In fact, if the town and mafia aren't trying to kill each other, it doesn't make for much of a game at all.

So I would therefore reason that since the FBI Agent's goal is to get rid of us all, he must have some other method to doing it than killing one of us each night. Perhaps that method is a time limit: some sort of a helicopter raid or something, that would take a certain amount of days to reach the tanker. We need to get rid of the Agent before he can order that attack.

I see YLC as looking for more reasons to stall, and that stands out as scummy to me.

Vote: YLC

Again, I am not drawing the same conclusion you are about our time to catch the FBI agent, that would be very unfair to the town if we had only a mere handful of turns to lynch someone, and it unfairly tips the balance of the game in favor of the FBI agent. Your making snap judgements based on unprovable data, or even nonexistant data.

Your all willing to jump on me for voting no lynch, but in my eyes the FBI agent is not Tevash, and so I went with what I thought was the best option. Were not going to get many clues in this game people, ATPG said so himself, so we can't just go lynch crazy and hope something comes up in the write ups - we have to depend on verbal discussion to win this one, between ourselves.

I am not stalling, that's a ridiculous notion. I advocate the use of the lynch, but I advocate it's use wisely - IMHO we would have gained, if not lost, something if we lynched Tevash, and so I took IMHO, the best course of action.

That said, no one yet has explained the logic behind why I should have voted for Tevash reasonably well yet.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Apologies for my absence, I've been doing stuff IRL.

Vote: GH

Until I catch up on the thread.

[Beefy187]

Unvote, Vote: YLC

In normal mafia, towns are lynching someone every night. That is because mafia gets the kill every night, especially when theres more then 2 kills, towns are in deep trouble unless they lynch the scums real quickly.

However this mafia is different from any game I have played in so far. Because no one dies during the night. Well at least so far no one has died. If thats the case then there is nothing which would stop the towns from not lynching anyone for the whole game and the game drags on. Only possible theory that the host can do is invent a role who wins if they survives number of rounds. And ATPG notices us by saying stuff like "time is running out"

It will make sense as we are about to steal the gold bars. And if FBI agent manage to survive until we actually goes for the gold, he can notify the police or what ever which place we are stealing from and can catch us without a warrant.

If we keep up our no lynchs and ends up losing the game then its too late to cry and say we should've done that, we should've started to lynch peoples earlier. True there is no prove that the FBI wins on time limit but its plausible theory. And its probably more likely that its true then its not at this point.

As for lynching Tevash, I'm against it. True that Tevash may be a FBI or a traitor. But if he is a FBI we can sue him for tricking us in to doing bad stuff. And we'll drag him down with us to hell. He could be a traitor like Joker in the opening scene of 'Dark Knights' but from animes or mangas perspective, boss is 95 percent a decent good guy and is on our side. Boss who betrays their minions does not have honor

Tevash wasn't in risk of getting lynched last night. Ares unvoted and Ares accidentally had two votes on him. So at the end, it was just me I believe.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: GH
Vote: Tevash

I'm satisfied with his response to my question, but woad also made a good point against him and I want to hear him respond to that.

[ULC]

Unvote: GH
Vote: Tevash

I'm satisfied with his response to my question, but woad also made a good point against him and I want to hear him respond to that.

Are you speaking to me for clarity?

[GeneralHankerchief]

No. Tevash.

[TevashSzat]

Unvote: GH
Vote: Tevash

I'm satisfied with his response to my question, but woad also made a good point against him and I want to hear him respond to that.

I wanted the role mass reveal b/c ATPG often has hints in his writeups. These hints are most likely related to each person's role on the ship. Thus, it would be the best if we know who everyone was beforehand.

That being said, these roles were probably randomly distributed so voting for people due to their role name's mafia like qualities with just ridiculous.

Umm.....can anyone put up a tally?

[ULC]

Tally
YLC - 3(Woad&Fangs, Chaotix, Khaan)
Yoyoma - 1(Shlin28)
Aries - 1(Yoyoma)
Tevash - 1(GH)

As best as I can tell, that is the current Tally

[Yoyoma1910]

I want to say here, I am loving this discussion. Everyone is doing a fairly good job at thinking critically and keeping an open mind.

Does that mean that you hate the discussion, and that everyone is thinking in a close minded manner?


And where's the friggin' sharks with laser beams we were promised? I want to lodge a formal complant with "mastermind" of this operation.

[TevashSzat]

And where's the friggin' sharks with laser beams we were promised? I want to lodge a formal complant with "mastermind" of this operation.

Umm......someone forgot to put salt into the shark tanks so all of them died. We got the laser beams, but they're just laser pointers and don't really do much damage unless you stare at it

[Yoyoma1910]

Umm......someone forgot to put salt into the shark tanks so all of them died. We got the laser beams, but they're just laser pointers and don't really do much damage unless you stare at it

I guess that's what happens when you don't have a "logistics expert" on you squad. Who's the accountant? I voting for them for not coughing up the 10 bucks for a few boxes of salt.

[shlin28]

Hmmmmm... Yoyoma says "we need to catch the FBI agent ASAP", yet votes no-one. I mean, withholding you vote so that more discussion take place is all well and good, but basically in this game the only thing we gained this phase was the FBI note, so all of the scummy behaviour that may have occured would have occured already before, so we should all have enough info to vote for someone without waiting for further discussion.

Vote: Yoyoma, for waiting when he should be lynching.

[seireikhaan]

Un-freakin'-believable. This is embarrassing. The town won't even use its lone, single weapon against the mafia.

Vote: YLC

I will not stop until you are lynched or exonerated through a detective.

[Yoyoma1910]

Hmmmmm... Yoyoma says "we need to catch the FBI agent ASAP", yet votes no-one. I mean, withholding you vote so that more discussion take place is all well and good, but basically in this game the only thing we gained this phase was the FBI note, so all of the scummy behaviour that may have occured would have occured already before, so we should all have enough info to vote for someone without waiting for further discussion.

Vote: Yoyoma, for waiting when he should be lynching.

That is true. Last round I didn't change my vote, as I thought I would. I've been a bit distracted lately.

Anyway, I didn't say that until this round, because I thought last round we had possibly caught the FBI agent, since there wasn't a FBI log in the write up as there had been the previous night. Also, the way it was writen seemed to lead itself to sound like someone had been caught. Now I see I was in error.



I'm going to vote:Aries. I still find his playing style suspicious.

[Beefy187]

Looks like I had my theory right. FBI agent has to be caught ASAP.

YLCs have been fairly constructive. Creating discussion and voting for someone. FBI strategy would be stay on low profile. Which does not fit YLCs behavior.

Although I did vote for Tevesh, I don't think its likely that the gang leader is the mole. Thats way to straight forward from my liking. His good to go for now.

I am more worried about White_eyes and Yoyoma for voting for no lynch. ATPG would not let us vote for no lynch over and over again. We have to start lynching people, ignoring the casualties or else, FBI is going to snatch his victory.

Yoyomas excuse is rather lazy but at least he came up with a excuse. I am going to vote White_eyes even though I know that his going to start a huge Beef steak fest.

Vote: White_eyes