Cruvamendica (Goidilic Cavalry) Description Incorrect

[Elmetiacos]

I've got hold of the Annals of Tigernach http://www.archive.org/stream/annals...kuoft_djvu.txt and I can't find any mention of chariots at Moin Dairi Lothair... is there another source?

[Taliferno]

I've got hold of the Annals of Tigernach http://www.archive.org/stream/annals...kuoft_djvu.txt and I can't find any mention of chariots at Moin Dairi Lothair... is there another source?

The annals of Ulster is another source, with a pretty garbled account of it. Again, no mention of chariots.

"The battle of Móin Daire Lothair won over the Cruithin by the Uí Néill of the North. Baetán son of Cenn with two branches of the Cruithin(?) fight it against the Cruithin. Cenél nEógain and Cenél Conaill were hired, being given the Lee and Ard Eolarg as recompense.

1] Weapons press forward, men press forward
2] In the great bog of Daire Lothair,
3] A cause of strife discomfited
4] Around the king of the Cruithin, Aed Brecc.
1] The battle of all the Cruithin is fought,
2] They burn Eilne;
3] The battle of Gabar Liphi is fought,
4] And the battle of Cúil Dreimne.
1] Hostages are taken away after conflict,
2] Away west, with a human harvest(?)
3] By Forgus, Domnall. Ainmire,
4] And Nainnid son of Daui.
1] Mac Erca's two sons returned
2] In the same manner;
3] The king Ainmire came back
4] With the possessions of Sétna.
1] Splendidly moves
2] Baetán's steed upon the host;
3] Well satisfied is Baetán of the yellow hair,
4] It will carry its little load(?) upon it."

EDIT
just read that St Adomnán of Iona mentions it (and the chariot) in the Vita Columbae. The chariots aren't actually used in battle, but, according to Adomnán, the king [B]escapes[B] from the battle in a chariot.

[kekailoa]

I think that this thread has gotten a little off topic, and because of CP's extremely nationalistic bias, it wasn't really answering the question for a while. Kudoes to Bovi for getting it back on track.

And I agree about the pony flanking issue. Getting hit by a pony is not quite the same as getting hit by a Shire.

[Elmetiacos]

The annals of Ulster is another source, with a pretty garbled account of it. Again, no mention of chariots...
just read that St Adomnán of Iona mentions it (and the chariot) in the Vita Columbae. The chariots aren't actually used in battle, but, according to Adomnán, the king [B]escapes[B] from the battle in a chariot.

Ah, got it - http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/L201040/index.html My Latin is worse than my Irish, but I think the relevant passage is Sed et de rege Cruithniorum, qui Echodius Laib vocitabatur, quemadmodum victus, currui insidens evaserit, similiter Sanctus prophetizavit. Still, it's a bit of a leap from one of the Lives saying that a Pictish king, as the Saint had foretold, escaped in a chariot (or something like) to saying that this was a battle fought with chariots... it's funny how when you start digging deep, a lot of history is a game of Chinese whispers.