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    The Ptolemaioi actually do get a similar high-quality phalanx unit but it is not widely recruitable outside the Fayun (Memphis) and the Nile Delta (Alexandreia). On the other hand their Galatikoi Klerouchoi have a very wide AOR giving them arguably one of the 'best bang for the buck' heavy infantry units especially when taking 'shipping time' into account. Their other major asset is their access to a good medium/heavy cavalry (lancer) unit: the Agema. Personally I'd favour the Agema over Hellenikoi Kataphraktoi, because Hetairoi is as heavy as cavalry needs to be for Diadochoi factions, but a unit like the Agema is (just as) dependable by virtue of its versatility and IIRC a good bit cheaper too.

    Apart from that the Ptolemaioi can't quite stand up to the AS's standards: while it is true both factions share the bulk of their troop (types) the real core troops of the AS have significantly wider AOR. And when it comes to specialities, the AS has a better unit roster as well: Hypaspistai, Kinsmen Cavalry, Scythed Chariots, Guild Warriors (Indian infantry with big sword-axes), Kamboja cavalry, Pheraspidai, Thorakitai Agematos Basilikou. Do the Ptolemaioi actually even get access to Eastern Axemen, Subeshi Archers and Galatikoi Kuarothoroi (about equals of Galatikoi Klerouchoi but much more limited AOR)?
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    TA, aren't the Agema cavalry basically similar to Thessalians?

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    Basically? Yes, IIRC just slightly better value. But the real point is that they've got better AOR (without relying on mercs to fill the ranks). Note however I'm going by memory -- and it has been a while since I played with the Ptolemaioi. You see, my favourites so happen to be the 'on the other side' of the frontline.
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    Just looked at the RV, and those Agema cavalry are only recruitable in Lower Egypt, Ioudaia, and Kyrene (4 provinces), so the AOR ain't all that great. I'd spend the extra cash on Hetairoi myself (at least you can retrain them in some areas away from the core homelands)

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    If not, they're pretty close. Same model, IIRC.

    Essentially, the Seleukids have the ability to become the dominant faction on the map. Whatever army has better cavalry than they do, the Seleukids have better infantry. Whatever army has better infantry than they do, the Seleukids have better cavalry. And even then, their cavalry and infantry are excellent. The major factor working against the Seleukids is their starting position. The Ptolemaioi, however, do have a solid army, but their main advantage is their safe starting position and easily expanded economy. There is a reason the Ptolemaioi will be featured in our tutorial Gaza campaign in EB2.

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    The Ptolemai, really? When i looked at the map from the west there was Karthadastim or something and from the north the Seleukids, i thought i'd have to fight 2 major wars wich isn't good for a man with my experience . I'll look around then^^

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    Omidoow,

    The west can easily be blocked off from the Carthies with 2 or 3 forts and a medium defensive army. Your only real enemy is the AS.

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    Plus, the Carthaginians start as your allies if you play Ptolemies, so they won't attack for a good 30 or 40 years. Maybe never, considering that they have all those independent African factions, the Romans, and the Iberians to contend with.

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    Yeah, it tends to be the Ptollies who attack Qarthadast, if ever. Only seen AI Ptollie attack Human Carthage, aside from that no conflict.
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