My Governor is a total Rod...

**Lemur** · 12-11-2008, 03:20

Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon

Let's be honest, this stuff happens everyday in a less blunt sort of way.

And to what extent is that sort of sentiment a self-fulfilling feedback loop?

Blagevodinnerjacket (D) is a scumbag who is going to prison. Let's not extrapolate him onto all politicos just because we feel like casting lazy aspersions.

**ICantSpellDawg** · 12-11-2008, 04:38

Originally Posted by Lemur

And to what extent is that sort of sentiment a self-fulfilling feedback loop?

Blagevodinnerjacket (D) is a scumbag who is going to prison. Let's not extrapolate him onto all politicos just because we feel like casting lazy aspersions.

Right.

Jesse Jackson Jr seems to be relatively innocent of this thing. His associate just seems to have suggested that Jackson would raise a ton of funds for re-election.

It is a bit uncouth, but politics works through making trades. It makes me sick to my stomach when they are bartering for themselves rather than the electorate.

Obama is rather clean as well, but again the things that he has said about the Governor give me more reason not to trust him, his judgment or the depth of his words on any subject.

If he thought "The people of Illinois have a dedicated servant in Rod" (among many other stellar comments), how wrong will he be on issues that he isn't intimately associated with.

**CountArach** · 12-11-2008, 05:20

Claiming that this shows anything about obama's lack of judgement is completely false. How could Obama have known about this in advance?

**Devastatin Dave** · 12-11-2008, 06:14

Originally Posted by CountArach

Claiming that this shows anything about obama's lack of judgement is completely false. How could Obama have known about this in advance?

Well it is kind of a strange trend of Obama to hang out with some of the shaddiest SOB's in politics, religion, and money sources. There comes a time when even His worshippers should question is strange lack of judgement.

**Crazed Rabbit** · 12-11-2008, 07:35

Originally Posted by CountArach

Claiming that this shows anything about obama's lack of judgement is completely false. How could Obama have known about this in advance?

Oh, I should hope he has some skill at judging character, Obama's certainly been in power in the same state as Blagovejerk long enough and I doubt he never heard or saw anything shady.

But still all politicians go around saying how the other guy who's supporting them is such a great fellow (at least until that other guy gets caught). In the future, though, Obama's endorsements for governor may not mean as much.

CR

**Devastatin Dave** · 12-11-2008, 16:02

One more point...
This is kind of conspiracy, tin foil hat thinking on my part, but I have the feeling that the investigation only went as far as it did in order to protect Obama. We'll see I guess..

**Xiahou** · 12-11-2008, 19:08

Originally Posted by CountArach

Claiming that this shows anything about obama's lack of judgement is completely false. How could Obama have known about this in advance?

Is knee-jerk lying a lack of judgment?

Obama quickly denied having any discussions with the governor about his senate replacement- despite multiple sources that mentioned him having discussions with the governor about it. That doesn't prove that Obama had anything to do with corrupt dealings, but it sure sounds like he lied.

Note: Before someone gets apoplectic, the source I linked was only chosen because it listed the multiple sources that contradict Obama. These sources include David Axelrod and the Chicago Tribune, among others.

**Lemur** · 12-11-2008, 19:33

Obama comments on the Blagoyovittich (D) controversy. Also, kittens.

**Crazed Rabbit** · 12-12-2008, 20:20

Heehee.

Related story.

Also, Rahm Emanuel isn't answering questions. That looks good.

CR

**rory_20_uk** · 12-12-2008, 21:10

Obama rose like a rocket in one of the most corrupt parts of a pretty corrupt / plutocratic system. Did he do this as he was such a nice, honest person who would clean house? No. He made deals and traded influence with the best of them, but is bright enough to manage to get away clean.

In a leader I want one who is a devious bastard and is good at what he does - as that's who he's going to meet on the world stage and also in his own country. I don't want a Neville Chamberlin who is open and honest, but a complete berk. Of course the hope is that these "skills" are used for the benefit of the country and not to its detriment.