Princess in EBII

[Cute Wolf]

Just curious, how about adding princess FM, as the way to got a long-lasting alliance as in M2TW? Think about The Ptolemies can give their daughters to Phrrhos, The Seleukids, and even Romans... emulating the marriage alliance in this era...

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

It has been discussed, and as I don't believe there is a final answer on it, I don't believe they will be used. One main reason being the wish to avoid the theft of enemy generals that Princesses can do.

[General Appo]

While marriage alliances were far from non-existant, they were not nearly as common as in medieval times, or so at least it appears to me.

[ziegenpeter]

Is that hardcoded or can you have princesses without the theft feature?

[Krusader]

While marriage alliances were far from non-existant, they were not nearly as common as in medieval times, or so at least it appears to me.

A quick look at the Diadochoi kingdoms will tell you otherwise. The early Ptolemies & Seleukids married their daughters here and there. Antiochos III had a Pontic princess as wife, Hierax had a Bithynian (or maybe Pontic as well), Attalos I's mother might have been Seleukid too. Ptolemaiois I was married at first with a daughter of Antipater (who seemed to marry his daughters off to most power players). Pontic Kings had wives from the Seleukid royal house as well.

The Roman nobility though did not marry outside the Roman families or at least it was almost taboo to do so, case in point being Caesar & Mark Anthony's relationship to Cleopatra. Ptolemaiois V or VI wanted to marry a prominent Roman noblewoman, but the sources say she refused to marry a foreigner which apparently won her much renown in Rome itself. So at least marriages between Romans & other factions should not be ingame.
As for the remaining factions, from what I gather marriages between them would not be looked down upon, as Hannibal & Hasdrubal both had Iberian princesses at least. Celts & Germans I have no idea on, but considering Celts intermarried with peoples they conquered and/or settled with I would take an educated guess and say they would not find it problematic.

[ziegenpeter]

Unfortunatly, you can't divorce in MTWII, which was AFAIK also very common in ancient times.

[oudysseos]

Is stealing enemy generals really so bad? First of all I don't think it's all that common- I hardly ever succeeded with it when I tried out DLV and PDER. And even if you do have to odd general switching sides- that occasionally did happen. Ptolemy Keraunos, for a perfect example. Coriolanus, maybe. Polybius, even. The 'marriage' part could be considered abstractly, the same way that a 'Man of the Hour' turns up in the family tree as someone's son or husband. I think the team should consider leaving it in- bribing generals hardly ever works unless you have a huge bank balance.

[Tyrfingr]

Princesses roaming free in the wild? Yeah right...ditch the unhistorical princesses, please!

[Subotan]

Presumably they have guards as well. But no snake charmers.

[Cute Wolf]

Stealing high-rank generals with high charm princess is an art on itself, at least you can expect that your daughter can betray you and follow that man instead. The only thing I would say about princess in EB II is:
- All diadochian (and hence nearly all greeks except Koinon Helennon), must have princesses
- Kardhastim, Phalavans, and easterners can have princess.
- The barbarians can have princess too (but what's the point to give such unwashed girl a hand?)


At least with princess, you didn't have to use assasin's blade against high-rank uber generals that still bachelors...

[Celtic_Punk]

Princesses roaming free in the wild? Yeah right...ditch the unhistorical princesses, please!

sounds like the princess of wales in Braveheart *pukes*

where the hell is the bridge in the battle of Stirling BRIDGE

[antisocialmunky]

They ran out of money for the bridge...

It is too bad you can't represent their wives as ancillaries and tie them to traits. IE. If you move a wife from one guy to another, the guy who gets her turns into an adulterer, the guy who he got it from gets ++ fertility. Quite possible you could have one guy boning everyone's wife. Or something. If only you could kill ancillaries.

[Yyrkoon]

ancillaries disappear with the general...just load all your crappy ancillaries onto a guy you don't like and send him on a kamakazi mission.

[Elmetiacos]

Celts & Germans I have no idea on, but considering Celts intermarried with peoples they conquered and/or settled with I would take an educated guess and say they would not find it problematic.

Queen Cartimandua of the Brigantes seems to have married Venutius purely to bring his tribe into the Brigantian federation, judging by her later actions, but that was a ruling queen rather than a princess. Bearing in mind how easy divorce seems to have been for Celtic women, it would perhaps have been of limited political value.

[lobf]

While marriage alliances were far from non-existant, they were not nearly as common as in medieval times, or so at least it appears to me.

They did it pretty commonly in ancient Mesopotamia, too.

[Cartaphilus]

Is it possible that a (young) widow will marry again?
I suppose that it's hardcoded - and so impossible.
But it could be great - for example, the romans married "hundreds" of times like us the barbarians of 2008AD.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

If only you could kill ancillaries.

In M2TW you can remove ancillaries actually. In RTW you couldn't.

[Aemilius Paulus]

In M2TW you can remove ancillaries actually. In RTW you couldn't.

Wow! How??? I remember when I was playing M2TW for two weeks (I quit as I could not stand it), one of my FMs got the Pagan Magician, which does nothing but take off 2 Piety. I did not have a "trash can" general yet, so I just left the FM as he was.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

You can use remove_ancillary cheat.

remove_ancillary "Character name" "ancillary name"
example: remove_ancillary "Aemilius Paulus" "magician_pagan"

In RTW this thing doesn't work but it works in M2TW.

[Cute Wolf]

Heloo,... what about the princess???

Marriage alliance was ahistorical for some factions, right? so you can made the Romans, KH, and nomads didn't have any princess such as muslims in M2TW...

I just thinking about making the princess as some sort of generals in the field (like boudicca), at least it was better than give the 20 years old girl for 50 years old pervert.

[Megas Methuselah]

As MarcusAureliusAntioninus said, it's a bit too early to know for sure. Sorry CuteWolf, but we'll just have to wait a while until a final answer is made by the EB Team. In a few months, I'll necro this thread for you.

[satalexton]

u can always mod them into 'princes' and have them given to the other faction as hostages...(and various other things)

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

u can always mod them into 'princes' and have them given to the other faction as hostages...(and various other things)

Then they would have female names and have male suitors asking to marry your 'princes'.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Then they would have female names and have male suitors asking to marry your 'princes'.

Umm change the name for princesses in descr_name? Or is that not how it works for princesses?

[General Appo]

where the hell is the bridge in the battle of Stirling BRIDGE

To qoute Mel Gibson: "The bridge got in the way."
To qoute local Scott: "That´s what the English found too."

[Majd il-Romani]

Marriage alliance was ahistorical for some factions, right? so you can made the Romans, KH, and nomads didn't have any princess such as muslims in M2TW...

smart

[General Appo]

But if that is tied with the Muslim feature then you´ll use up a potentially very useful feature on something argueably not really all that important.

[theoldbelgian]

I bet you are talking about the jihad-system indeed that is a much more important function than factions without princesses

[General Appo]

The Jihad system? No, I´m talking about the whole Marriage Alliance system and if its tied with 'Christian' factions or if 'Muslim' ones can use it as well.

[Lord_Phan]

No it's as simple as as changing one line in descr_factions

Have Princess = yes or no