Bad idea. The minute a child dies confronting the gunman the school system will end up in court. It's different if the parents tell them this or they react on their own.
Basic rule in a school shooting: Get theout!
Re: How should kids react in a school shooting?
Bad idea. The minute a child dies confronting the gunman the school system will end up in court. It's different if the parents tell them this or they react on their own.
Basic rule in a school shooting: Get the
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Re: How should kids react in a school shooting?
The only sensible and above all American solution is to give all the kids guns. Only if everyone is armed is anyone safe...
Some sort of system where doors can be automatically locked would be an idea - teachers can access a panic switch and all doors go into lockdown. The cheap option would be for standard doors that will merely slow a determined person down, the more expensive option would make all doors bullet resistant. Worst case scenario one class is decimated, then the gunman is trapped.
Getting soldiers to act in an environment where shots are fired is difficult enough. Getting unarmed children to act in a rational manner and not blindly panic is optimistic IMO.
Of course if the training does work, woe betide the police in the next riot when the tooled up, self defence experts take them on...
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Re: How should kids react in a school shooting?
Running as fast in the other direction as possible is a good idea; but most schools tend to keep kids in the classroom in such events.
Bad idea. The minute a child dies confronting the gunman the school system will end up in court. It's different if the parents tell them this or they react on their own.
Basic rule in a school shooting: Get the
I think the phrase you want is 'prohibitively expensive'.Some sort of system where doors can be automatically locked would be an idea - teachers can access a panic switch and all doors go into lockdown. The cheap option would be for standard doors that will merely slow a determined person down, the more expensive option would make all doors bullet resistant. Worst case scenario one class is decimated, then the gunman is trapped.
Yes, but better than nothing when the kids are trapped in a classroom with a shooter. If it doesn't work, then the kids are no worse off, but if they can stop the shooter that would be good.Getting unarmed children to act in a rational manner and not blindly panic is optimistic IMO.
CR
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The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
Re: How should kids react in a school shooting?
It is a sensible idea as a last-ditch option. I mean, if I saw my classmates being shot, and I knew I was going to be killed soon, I would run away from the killer. If I couldn't run, I wouldn't have much of a choice but to fight, now would I?
Honestly, if you're locked in a room with a killer who is shooting your friends one by one, how could you not try to disarm him?
Re: How should kids react in a school shooting?
Admit it, CR- you're moving to Mass now.
Anyways, regarding the decision- I think its personally better than nothing, assuming that they're not teaching the kids to do something really moronic like trying to give the shooter a tongue lashing or something.
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It's Massachusetts, not the UK. *I'll get my coat...*
Nah, I'm much to content here.Admit it, CR- you're moving to Mass now.
CR
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The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
Re: How should kids react in a school shooting?
The kids would have to have some serious mental discipline if they were to pull if off. It's tragic, but there's really very little that can be done when you're in those kinds of situations.
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Re: How should kids react in a school shooting?
The best self defense ever: not being in the situation in the first place.
Second best: Run away. Fast.
See? I still remember the combat training I learned in the army....
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Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: How should kids react in a school shooting?
No. When the kids get shot when they fail to stop the gunman(you're kidding yourself if you think anything else will happen), they're wasting their life as well as valuable time they could've used to run away and live.
Seriously, doing anything else than run when there's a guy with a gun trying to kill you is the dumbest thing you can ever do. And it'll be the last dumb thing you do in your life. The natural instinct is to run. That's what they should do, and it's what gives the best chance of survival.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: How should kids react in a school shooting?
Maybe you missed the part where I said the kids are trapped in the same room as the gunman. Most school classrooms have one door; the kids cannot run anywhere if the gunman is in the doorway.
Also, you'll be interested to know standard procedure in a school is not to have the kids run, but to lock the door and hide in a classroom if the kids are in class.
Oh, and about kids not stopping a gunman;
http://www.cnn.com/US/9805/21/school.shooting.2/
Gee, it looks like not running saved lives. So much for being 'dumb'.A male student who had been expelled from an Oregon high school opened fire with a rifle in the school cafeteria on Thursday, killing at least one student, authorities said. They said they are also investigating reports of killings at the boy's home. About 25 other students were reported wounded or injured in the incident at Thurston High School in Springfield.
The gunman, who was taken into custody, was not immediately identified. He had been expelled on Wednesday for trying to bring a gun to class, police said. Witnesses said the gunman was tackled by other students.
CR
Ja Mata, Tosa.
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
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Yes your correct. I live in MA actually somewhere near the town in the story. You see in MA you get outside 128 and the outstretched stench of Havard/cambridge and you actually find moderates. Yes the children are kept in the classroom, they do not have the option to get up and run out as the teachers job in this situation is to prevent anyone from leaving the class.
I know this because I was present when the procedures for "school emergencies" were discussed after the college incidents. Essentially what it comes down to is a numbers game.... The assumption is that the shooter will not go into every room and or dosent have enough rounds to kill every kid in every classroom.
So if the classroom he picks has your kid in it, metaphorically you've won the lottery (by the logic of the procedures in place). So even as a parent if you want your kid to run, the teacher who's salary you pay will prevent it or in theory loose there job as violators of the district policy.
Essentially this makes the above statement by rabbit correct. If your child is the lottery winner they can hid in the corner and again hope they dont win the lottery and are selected for execution or they can attempt to bring down the shooter. Somehow for me as a dad if I got that call I would take a sliver of solace knowing my kid tried to fight back rather then hiding in a corner hoping not to die, but people think Im nuts anyway.Yes, but better than nothing when the kids are trapped in a classroom with a shooter. If it doesn't work, then the kids are no worse off, but if they can stop the shooter that would be good.
The best time to foil a plot is at it infancy when the perp hasnt had the time to prep the situation or take command. Waiting and hoping might save some lives but it dosent negate the potential for a succesful outcome via the alternate route proposed. Of course the first best choice is to run but that isnt an option in a lot of schools now, so if you win the lottery and the guy chooses your kids classroom and the outcome is death, death while fighting back, and fighting back and disarming I'll go with the last 2 options because the result is not predetermined and can result in a positive outcome.
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Re: How should kids react in a school shooting?
HoreTore, this is talking about when you are in a classroom, or backed into a corner with no chance of escape. Most classrooms have only one door as well as a few windows, all of which are generally locked and closed when an intruder enters the school. In this common scenario, the students will have no choice whatsoever.
Re : How should kids react in a school shooting?
If I look back at Virginia Tech...what if five guys, or ten guys, had gone after the shooter? He can't stop them. He can take out a few, but he will be subdued. It would've saved lives.
It is always frustrating that one guy with a gun can hold fifty, or five hundred people ransom. Quite unbearable. Disregarding al the if's and but's of Rambo fantasies and the danger of lynch mobs and permanently alarmed and scared kids in constant war mode, the point remains that a massive combined attack will take out anybody and will save lives in certain instances. (Flight 93?)
It is better to die on your feet than to die on your knees.
In a weird twist of argument, I am an avid watcher of wildlife films. It always strikes me how five lions can attack a herd of three-thousand zebra. That's an awful lot of beef and hooves. With some co-ordination, the lions would be nowhere. In fact, a few small, weak apes thought pretty much that one million years ago. They got themselves a few sticks and pebbles, learned how to co-ordinate counter attacks, and now every predator in Africa runs for cover when he sees humans.
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Yes, you go first, I'll be right behind you.
The problem is obviously not about guns or children, rules or even the shooters, the biggest problem is obviously that classrooms lack doors.
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It goes without saying that I consider going first an honour and a sacred duty. My personal sense of sacrifice is so strong that in the interest of all I shall make the urge to go first subordinate to the need to coordinate you lot though.Yes, you go first, I'll be right behind you.
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Re: How should kids react in a school shooting?
Bad idea. The minute a child dies confronting the gunman the school system will end up in court. It's different if the parents tell them this or they react on their own.
Basic rule in a school shooting: Get the
School down in Texas wanted to do it to I believe, read about it in Late '06.
Good Idea Vladimir! Just get out. If you can't though, fight back! I rather die fighting then sit there under a damn table and die a embrassing down!
"But Warman, More kids could die then!"
Really? And sitting under a library table be safer? Yeah, That worked wonders for kids at Columbine!
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