Immigration Question

**seireikhaan** · 12-22-2008, 06:47

Originally Posted by Fragony

But, I respect your opinion that no one born outside UK should be allowed to live there.

How does your mind manage to keep summoning that? It was never said it's all in your head.

Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar

Any person not born within the UK or within the reasonable limits of descent has no right to live there....

Umm...

**Fragony** · 12-22-2008, 06:54

Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Umm...

Can't see the difference between having a right on something and being allowed to do something?

**seireikhaan** · 12-22-2008, 07:00

Originally Posted by Fragony

Can't see the difference between having a right on something and being allowed to do something?

Not particularly. Please explain.

**Fragony** · 12-22-2008, 07:07

Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Not particularly. Please explain.

Well, let's put it this way, I might be allowed to make a dump on your head but that's really up to you wether or not you allow it, for whatever reason. But it is not my right to make a dump on your head just because I like your haircut.

**seireikhaan** · 12-22-2008, 07:12

Originally Posted by Fragony

Well, let's put it this way, I might be allowed to make a dump on your head but that's really up to you wether or not you allow it, for whatever reason. But it is not my right to make a dump on your head just because I like your haircut.

No, I'm afraid you're quite wrong. If you were to take a dump on my head, I could quite likely get you thrown in jail, as I'm fairly sure that there is some sort of law against depositing fecal matter on another person, such as assault/public indecency or some such. Your example is quite faulty.

**Papewaio** · 12-22-2008, 07:19

What he was saying is that he doesn't have the right to do it.

But with your (kinky) consent, he could be allowed to do it.

The right to something =/= being allowed to do something.

**Fragony** · 12-22-2008, 07:23

^-well what the ozzy said

No one born outside UK should be allowed to live there.

Any person not born within the UK or within the reasonable limits of descent has no right to live there....

Look at these two statements. You really can't see the difference?

**seireikhaan** · 12-22-2008, 09:02

Originally Posted by Fragony

^-well what the ozzy said

No one born outside UK should be allowed to live there.

Any person not born within the UK or within the reasonable limits of descent has no right to live there....

Look at these two statements. You really can't see the difference?

Ah, we're delving into issues of permission? Ok, I see what the point is. In that case, I you are quite accurate in that (legal) immigration is purely a country allowing other citizens into their borders to change nationalities. I will point out that without such clarification, just issuing such statements can lead to confusion.

EDIT: I will also point out the whole idea of permission is itself a bit of a sticky issue as well. I could give you written permission to kill me, and you'd very likely still be charged with murder.

Of course, this really does depend on whether or not you believe humans have inherent rights, and if so, where the line is drawn.

I believe I am coming to a better understanding of Bopa's first statement- indeed, nobody is entitled to transfer nationalities at will from a legal perspective(at least in my view, and generally legally). I was mis-interpreting it as being anti-immigrationist. Apologies.