The Curia

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Raises an eyebrow at Aulus

"Young Tribunus to you as well, dear Aulus. I have paid due notice to Legatus Cotta's experience and service in the legions. His accomplishments are renowned throughout the Res Publica. However, he has insulted every member of the Curia with his comments, yourself included. I for one, shall not suckle at the proverbial teat of greatness like a muling infant. I demand satisfaction."

[/Bean\]

I will not be drawn any further into this argument. I have made myself perfectly clear. I abhor not the men before me, but the discussion of the attacking our allies that these senators seem to think is acceptable. Tribune Marcellus has made his point clear and has begun to make the attack personal. Therefore here is the basis for my withdrawal.

I have a lot of paperwork to do regarding my legion. I will return to the Curia at a later date.

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OOC: I do actually have a lot of work to do for tomorrow. If I don't do it now I never will.

[Warluster]

Macvs stands angrily and quickly

It is good you have resolved the arguement, senators, as we do not need such useless talk disturbing our discussions. There are more important thing's are stake here then your honor. I insist you both get over it.

Marcvs nods politely towards both men

I actually agree with Legatus Cotta. Why'll Sicilia is a problem, I think we should strike into Gaul. Who cares if the Averni or Aedui are strng? We have Roman might! They shall tremble! One strike into that damned place and thousands of slaves shall run to our Roman mines!

Strike the place! Enslave or kill them all! Send two legion's I propose!

Marcvs stops talking in his booming voice, and sits down.

[navarro951]

After hearing the long debates Heres Blasio rises..

"Our dictator wishes to relay a message, he believes that the Carthaginians are imperialists! Our great Dentatvs speaks of truce with the Epirotes and war with Carthage. In all, he proposes:

Edict 3.3: That the war be declared on Carthage with the complete take over of Sicilia and institution of allied governments there.

Edict 3.4: That a diplomat be sent to Epeiros asking for a ceasefire in our long and drawn out war.

"It is my belief that in dealing with the Iberian barbarians, the Carthaginian forces in Sicilia will quickly fall to our sword and their navy can be dealt with at a later time."

[/Bean\]

Cotta, having recently stepped back into the hall, angrily rises.

Dictator, Heres, Senators of Roma. With every respect I have for our great Dictator, I cannot believe what I am hearing. Forgive me for saying so, but it sounds too much of a random outburst. The Dictator believes the Carthaginians are imperialists? What proof have we they harbour imperialist dreams? And in what way do these affect the safety of Roma and her allies in the near future? Would the dictator himself forsake Roman honour and attack our allies? Rome's reputation will be tainted forever.

As for the next edict, I also ask has the dictator so quickly forgotten his support and the support received from the senators here today that we would not finance our enemies in Greece? We have defeated our enemies there for the moment. Why should we now offer them the chance to use Roman gold to fund new armies to once more threaten the Italian peninsula? Forgive me, but these I fail to see what basis these edicts are based on, and how they are for the good of Rome?

[Mjolnir]

And what does our noble dictator base this claim of Carthaginian "imperialism" on? The fact that Carthaginian soldiers haven't moved outside their borders in the last 6 years?

Caivs' voice drips with sarcasm.

Do alliances mean so little to Rome that they can be broken without provocation?

As for peace with the Epeiros, I support. Our war with them is pointless now that we have driven them from our peninsula.

[navarro951]

"Ill grant you that, their forces have not moved. But they have kept a small force outside of Messana for some time now. The have harassed their trade routes and influenced them against joining our Republic. This you cannot disregard. Alliances do amount for much here in Roma, but as the Carthaginians grow economically stronger, it will become impossible for our two peoples to co-exist. What are we to do should one day these forces in Sicilia cross into Rhegion? Are we going to let them keep tabs on us when we have done nothing of the sort, at least not militarily?"

[/Bean\]

Then it is not stupendous to station a force in the south of Italy in the way of saying we can protect ourselves, but we honour alliances made? So they have troops postioned and diplomatic ideas of their own within their own sphere of influence? Are they not allowed? Sicily is not Roman, nor is it connected in any way to Rome. Carthage is within its own right, right dictated by a pact made by our own people, to station troops withing Sicily to protect it's interests there. I believe it to be a grave offence to see this an excuse to attack them, or simply an excuse to attack them.