The Curia

**navarro951** · 01-20-2009, 07:38

"I do not feel I can forgive this remark...Legatus Cotta served in Taras, Rhegion, Bononia, Segesta, and will lead the attack on Patavium. He is our most proven commander at the moment. And Tribune Tiberius should learn to show respect where it is due regardless of political difference."

**Potocello** · 01-20-2009, 07:42

"For the time being, I feel you must forgive this remark or at least let it go. Let this not get sidetracked with useless
bickering for we are here to discuss the issue of attacking Greece."

**Mooks** · 01-20-2009, 07:50

I want to remind the senate that we are not exactly conquering Greece. But installing friendlier goverments. The people will rule themselves by people they know and trust. In the end we are helping the greeks out. No longer will they have to fear Makedonian retribution or a reconquest by the Epirotes. In the end peace and prosperity will reign over the sections of greece we help, and that is what we all want correct? Peace and Prosperity.

**Mjolnir** · 01-20-2009, 08:01

Caivs stands to speak again

Senator Marcellus, you criticize the passion of my words and yet refuse to respond to my arguments; a quite convenient way to dodge the truth of my statements. Is that a Greek trick perhaps? You say that I am only brave in numbers and go whichever way the winds blows and yet I only stand against the three of you; although I am sure others will speak in agreement with me when the rest of the Senate learns of your mad proposal. It is again convenient that you choose to bring this up when Legatus Cotta and my cousin are in the north with the legion and I only happened to be here to procure supplies, else you would be unopposed. Was that your plan?

Caivs turns

Senator Scipio, you say the edict to go south failed because the north had yet to be taken and that is in the past now; yet that is at the very least an ill-informed statement since we are no closer now to securing the north than we were 3 months ago. What has changed exactly? You say two legions can secure the north, I agree. However three legions would make the process go much faster and make doubly sure our victory. I say we should use our legions where the Senate voted to use them and not on some unauthorized foolishness.

As for Greece you have yet to answer any of my points, save one, and that with a bad assumption. Do you really think that the Greeks who went all the way to the Indus have backsliden so far as to no longer be a threat? Do you really believe that when faced with an outside threat they will not drop their petty bickering to face us with a united front? And even if they don't, do you think Macedonia would not see our invasion and weakening of Koinon Hellenon as the chance they've been waiting for to seize all of Hellas?

No, you have left much unanswered and continue on only on high unfounded rhetoric and ill-conceived dreams.

**Mooks** · 01-20-2009, 08:38

Originally Posted by Mjolnir

Caivs stands to speak again

Senator Marcellus, you criticize the passion of my words and yet refuse to respond to my arguments; a quite convenient way to dodge the truth of my statements. Is that a Greek trick perhaps? You say that I am only brave in numbers and go whichever way the winds blows and yet I only stand against the three of you; although I am sure others will speak in agreement with me when the rest of the Senate learns of your mad proposal. It is again convenient that you choose to bring this up when Legatus Cotta and my cousin are in the north with the legion and I only happened to be here to procure supplies, else you would be unopposed. Was that your plan?

Caivs turns

Senator Scipio, you say the edict to go south failed because the north had yet to be taken and that is in the past now; yet that is at the very least an ill-informed statement since we are no closer now to securing the north than we were 3 months ago. What has changed exactly? You say two legions can secure the north, I agree. However three legions would make the process go much faster and make doubly sure our victory. I say we should use our legions where the Senate voted to use them and not on some unauthorized foolishness.

As for Greece you have yet to answer any of my points, save one, and that with a bad assumption. Do you really think that the Greeks who went all the way to the Indus have backsliden so far as to no longer be a threat? Do you really believe that when faced with an outside threat they will not drop their petty bickering to face us with a united front? And even if they don't, do you think Macedonia would not see our invasion and weakening of Koinon Hellenon as the chance they've been waiting for to seize all of Hellas?

No, you have left much unanswered and continue on only on high unfounded rhetoric and ill-conceived dreams.

I said we are getting closer and closer to taking the northern cities. If we are not, then what are they doing up there? I shall disregard this, but maybe your tutor didnt teach you enough on the latin language.

And how is my proposal to go liberate parts of Greece unauthorized? Exactly when im trying to authorize it?

Your right though that I didnt recongize all the points you made earlier. How dare you accuse me of trying to eliminate the cash flow we are receiving from trade with them, when I was the senator that proposed we send emmisarys to start the cash flow in the first place? And how stupid can you be if you do not consider that the very 2 cities we intend to capture from the time we land in Greece are the ones that are trading? The ports will be reopened very soon.

The Greeks as of now are not the greeks of old. They have no generals of great note and alot of their warrior class has went east to look for work in the Successor States. They are embroiled in a war with Makedonia, which by the way its important to note that Alexander was a Makedonian, not a Greek.

Their are plenty of boy lovers in both Greece and Massilia. Perhaps I will send you the best one to tutor you in comprehension. You need it.

**SwissBarbar** · 01-20-2009, 08:53

Avlvs Aemilivs Mamervcs, who came back from the legion's camp together with his cousin and cotta, has been calmy listening to this debate , but now i was enough

Decimus Cornelius Scipio, DON'T YOU INSULT MY COUSIN, you miserable maggot. I divest you of my friendship. Shut up and listen AGAIN, to what you should know already. He sighed.

Senatores, I am no friend of the greeks at all, and would rather see them crushed sooner than later. But IT IS TOO EARLY FOR THAT. Did you all, who pledge for war, forget, that we just voted and accepted an Edict, which contains to send diplomates to Epeiros, and seek trade and peace, and now you come with war? Do you think the Epeirotes and Makedonians, who - other than our legions yet - already have conquered a gread Empire once? What, do we just fight everone at the same time now? Celts, Greeks, Carthaginians..? Come on, lets fight the Seleukids and the Ptolemaioi too. One more legion should do, right?

Senatores! War with Greece will be brought upon us soon enough. Should we take a Greek city like Massalia or even Syrakousai, not only the Carthaginians will march against us, but also your beloved Spartans. Don't rush with it! Lets finish the southern Celts, before taking the risk of getting slaughtered at many fronts.

Our legions are strong and well equipped. But even the greatest warrior needs to eat and espeacially be paid. 3 legions, as strong as our fellow Roman brothers may be, are just not enough to face all our neighbour's armies at once

**navarro951** · 01-20-2009, 09:30

"Well said Avlvs, on another note...I think some of you nay-sayers need to rethink the way you speak of our men who at this very moment march for war. Our legionaries are not cattle to be wasted and thrown from this front to that. On this Greek issue, as I said before...it is risky and some of you speak as if we can walk through Greek lands without a scratch. Know this, regardless of whether or not they are the old Greece, they will band together in times of desperation and they will fight with a ferocity we have not even seen fighting barbarians."

**SwissBarbar** · 01-20-2009, 09:44

Hear! Hear! True are your words, the Barbarians may be brave, but we even can beat them, when they outnumber us, because their tactical skills are not too well. The greeks are equiped at least as good as us, and not only they could outnumber us too, if they worked together with the Epeirotes and Makedonians, they also know about tactics. Yes, we have beaten them. But remember at what cost! Here in Italy. Think of what they could do to us when we invade their homeland now.

**everyone** · 01-20-2009, 11:48

Cicero enters the Curia after a private discussion with Dictator Blasio away, he appears calm.
most of the senators expect him to speak and voice an opinion, however Cicero remains silent.
Apparent that Cicero does not want to makes his opinions known now, the rest of the Curia carry on debating.