The Curia

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Caivs Avrelivs Aqvila stood.

With all due respect, Cnaevs Cornelivs Aqvila, I have spent a good ten years fighting these people. I have spent the last four as governer in their former lands. I know better than anyone the situation in Epeiros, and beyond it to their former allies past the mountains, in Makedonia and Byzantion. Believe when I tell you they would accept a peace treaty only to use it against us to give them time to prepare for another war. I do not disagree that a peace treaty should be drawn up, but let us not make the mistake of thinking the barbarians across the mountains are the honourable Greeks that we have beaten.

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OOC: darn I accidentally refreshed the page while typing this 3/4s

Spurius Claudius rises;

"Consul Manius Claudius would like me to propose this rule change; as according the amendment he proposed the previous session:

OOC: to be added to wherever it should belong to.

RC 7.1:
in the case of distances that would prevent the player's character from reaching their destination within a turn in-game, the "move_character" console command may be used to transport only the bodyguard (not army) of that player's character to his new appointment.

If the problem of Roman internal names prevent the player's character from being transported by the console command, a 'host character' may be used, who could be move_charactered. after the 'host' has been moved together with the target character, the host is to be moved via console command back to his original location, using "character_reset" to restore his movement points to the maximum/original amount if necessary

The moving of characters by console may only be used when:
-the character is appointed as provincial governor to a province
-the character is appointed as the Legatus/commander of a legion
-the character has been appointed Quaestor by the Consul of Finance with or without the request of a provincial governor
-the character has been appointed Tribunus or commander of any legion by the Consul of the Legions with or without the request of a provincial governort
-the Character has been elected Tribune of the Plebs, Consul of Finance or Consul of the Legions
and has to be transported to their destination.

furthermore he wishes to propose the following charter amendment:

to be added as rule 3.10.1, or whatever it should be after the FAQ has been updated.
CA 7.1:
Rule X.XX.X
As the Aemilian reforms define Praetors, Consuls and whoever else choosing a province to govern at every congressional session; the following provinces are defined from territories under the Senate and People of Rome in 254 BC, and may be updated at every congressional session to reflect new holdings.
the updating of provincial boundaries shall be voted on by every senator available (OOC: all the players who voted in the session) if the changes are large; and voted on by the Consuls and Praetors of that session if the changes are minute.

Provinces, 254BC

Provincia Sicilia
Messena
Syrakousai*
Lilibeo

Provincia Gallia Cisalpina
Bononia
Segesta
Patavium

Provincia Gallia Transalpina:
Massalia*
Tolosa

Provincia Illyria et Dalmatia:
Segestica
Dalminion

Provincia Illyria et Epirus:
Epidamnos
Ambracia

cities marked with a * are allied states.

(OOC: probably, the provinces of Illyria et Dalmatia and et Epirus may be merged if required)

"Thank you."

Spurius takes his seat, awaiting responses from fellow senators to respond to Consul Manius' proposals

OOC EDIT:
be reminded that we not only need to elect new Consuls this session, but also a praetor and a new ToP

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Qvintvs Aemilivs rose, haven't been present in the Curia for a long time

"Make the world tremble in fear, and the proceed to show mercy to the fallen enemy."

He gazed around the Curia during the silence that followed.

"It's a hard act to follow by anyone. How could one hope to better this act?" He asked from all present senators.
"That's right, it cannot be bettered."

Qvintvs Aemilivs seemed to swell

"The might of Rome has been extended to Sicilia. The great Punic nation of Carthage has been pushed back to their native African lands. Nothing more sure they are planning all sorts of evil deeds for revenge.
But we HAVE pushed them back. We have shown the world we are a force to be reckoned with. The Mare Mediterranea is no longer a soley Punic affair.

We have brought forth the downfall of a man, regarded as the best general the known world has seen since Megas Alexandros. We have taken all the prime lands of his fellow countrymen. The Epeiros are reduced to a few simpering villages in the rugged parts of Greece.
Hellas, is no longer a soley Greek affair." He finished his preroration.


Volume raising he made it seem he addressed every senator privately.

"The world does not tremble in fear, Conscript Fathers, but I assure you it now looks upon us wearily. They are like a pack of foxes who've just discovered there is a wolf present on their territory.

Let us demonstrate how great we truly are, by showing mercy at the Epeiros. Let us show the world we feel mighty enough to let this people it's freedom, our confidence that we will smite it down whenever we feel like it.

We are Rome, and we are mighty! But we fear not a beaten enemy.


A hard act to follow by any nation senators. Think on it..."

He sat down.

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Caivs Avrelivs Aqvila rises, smiling.

A very nice patriotic speech, Qvintvs Aemilivs Aqvila, but do you by any chance actually second any of these edicts you speak about?

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"I second edicts 7.1 as it only speaks of peace and nothing more, and edict 7.3. I say nay to 7.2 because that would send a signal to the plebs that we, senators, are not all as perfect as we aught to be. A Signal which must be prevented.

Furthermore I second CA 7.1. I wanted to propose a law to this effect myself, but I'm willing to go along with this proposition.


Think carefully about what I said about the Epeiros question, fellow senators. We should make peace, nothing more. As to the commanders of Legio III, we hsould not give the plebs any incentive to think lesser of us, members of the senate.""

OOC
I'll list my seconding, as it wasn't clearn:
Edict 7.1
Edict 7.3
CA 7.1
RC 7.1

[SwissBarbar]

"Well, they of course know of our shameful defeat. That ship sailed a long time ago. Maybe you forgot that it's the plebs - after all - who were the ones fighting the battle. So they know about us not being perfect. Now it's about to show them, what we do, when one of those who command battles, utterly fail."

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I do agree, Qvitnvs Aemilivs. All of Roma is up in arms about the defeat. Had it not been for the news of Hamalcar's demise at the hands of the Consul Manivs Clavdivs, we could have had a riot on our hands. Roma's first major defeat since Pyrrhus, they were crying. It took several days for the crowds to calm down. They are among the ones calling for justice, Senators. Would you deny the plebs of Roma the proof that good Roman law upholds it's virtues?

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Qvintvs Aemilivs Regillus Avrelianvs looked at his adoptive father.


"Well excuse me Caivs Avrelivs. I did not realise there are any Roman laws which forbid incompetence.
Why, they could arrest more than half of the men present in this body here today!

Of course They have heard of the defeat. Yes they are grieving and are protesting in their comitia that something has to bee done. But do you think the plebs realise who is to blame personally? For that fact, who elected them as Generals?
Didn't we decreed them to lead the legions? YES WE DID!
Why, aren't we then atleast partially to blame? Or do we claim we did not know, and therefore made a decision without having full knowledge of their capacities? Wouldn't that classify as incompetence? Maybe we should run for our lives before someone calls the lictors!


We all know the reason why us Senators are the ruling class. The general idea that we are a better man than any common man. We are the Families that threw up so many famous men whom adorn Roma's history.
This is the idea that everyone below the Second Class has of us. We must strive to maintain this image.

If we now openly condemn these 2 fellow senators, we will openly acknowledge to the plebs in full that us senators have our failings and flaws like any other men.
The day we do that gentlemen, our right to rule will be put in doubt. The day that happens, we will be finished.

If you lack the insight to see my words are true, please think about it this way: which elections are they going to win anytime soon? None, which means they will not get to command.
Which provincial governor will ask for their services, be it as a quaestor or a legate? None.
They will be politically isolated for quite a while to come, and that will be a punishment enough."

[navarro951]

Blasio, with a hand on his chin sighs...

"On the issue of what to do with Dux Servivs Longvs, I cannot say. (OOC: He did already lose CPs for the defeat so as far as our rules say he has been "punished" accordingly.) He will live with the defeat for the rest of his time, a decisive loss like no other in nearly three decades. That I believe, for any man, is enough to deal with."


ALSO WILL BE EXTENDING COUNCIL 24 HOURS TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS THOUGHT UP ALL PROPOSALS THEY WISH TO MAKE!

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Navarro

Does a tribune have to veto now, or after all proposals have been made?

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I swaer if you veto one of my edicts I am casting you from the family!

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Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I swaer if you veto one of my edicts I am casting you from the family!

"I am truly sorry, Caivs Avrelivs. But I will veto any proscetion of our fellow senators for this session. Unless you retract your proposal"

[/Bean\]

You refuse to allow them to be tried by Roman law? This truely are dark times for Roma, when her successful generals are attempted to be confiscated of their command, and those who fail in their command are not punished. And all this by a man's adoptive son, who was taken in and adopted by myself. This is how you repay me?

[navarro951]

Navarro

Does a tribune have to veto now, or after all proposals have been made?

ooc THIS MY FRIENDS! OOC: YOU CAN VETO WHENEVER YOU CHOOSE. AND YOU MEAN A TRIBUNE PLEBIS NOT ANY TRIBUNE, BY THE WAY THIS IS YOUR SECOND TERM SO WE WILL BE ELECTING A NEW ONE.