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[mini]

Thanks

Now I can enjoy my weekend in peace :p

[everyone]

whoa. I didn't notice the quaestor's rank requirements were changed......which makes it more confusing. I think I'll just wait for mini's rank change proposals.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Bean, it absolutely is NOT your fault for being either a higher rank nor for being so much higher than anyone else. The game system is unbalanced, and like any good video game it requires a patch to nerf certain aspects or make other things stronger/better.

Why can't I say the game is boring because either you or anyone else is a higher ranking player? I can say whatever I want; but what I said was that the game was becoming less fun because only one person was so much higher than all the others. Again, it is an balancing issue.

It is very true that you have broken no rules whatsoever, and I'm not angry with you for your success in the game. My issue is with the balancing of the game. You are the only Praetor, even your closest IC allies are only Duxi or Legati. Your opposition is the same and it makes for lopsided gameplay since you can form a house and start a civil war and attack your IC enemies, whereas they can only respond to your attacks - you get the unfair advantage of a "pre-emptive" first strike; which I believe goes against the spirit of the game. Now, that's not to say that you would necessarily take such action; but it is a realistic threat.

Regarding the Punic War Event, it is circumstantial evidence at best; but when you look at it from the outside, it was proposed by a group of IC friends, voted in-favor by IC friends, and it is currently benefiting only those IC friends - Legio I is getting experience fighting in Gaul, Legio II is getting experience fighting in Illyria, and the Legio III was actually only assigned - by edict - the role to go guard the northern passes to the Alps. We were voted to do absolutely nothing except guard against an AI incursion while all the other armies were assigned active fighting. We took it upon ourselves to fight the rebels in Italy when TCV's computer went down. In Game, Legio I and II are best of buds and so the events, while they may truly not be a 'plot' are skewed to benefit a limited number of people. Your character has benefited from it personally by having been assinged the role of the only fighting force near a hostile enemy (either by the 'event' itself or by an edict). You have gained rank, personal body guards, the role of provincial governor, and now a Triumphus *(which you do deserve).

I wasn't in charge of moving the Third Legion anywhere until just this week when Potocello couldn't take the save because of RL goings on. And again, our assigned mission per the Edict was to go north and sit - NOT to go to Sicily or Rhegion. We defied that senate order purposely in order to bring some balance and hopefully get in a fight with some Carthaginians. The Legio IV Roma was supposed to fight the rebels in Italy and guard the southern tip of the penninsula. In the end, we didn't miss out on any action because - by the design of others - we weren't supposed to get any.

And everyone, Asina - may he rest in peace - would most definitely be Praetor by now, which would be absolutely peachy keen if there were others to be even close to balancing the power he would have. Again, I do not seek to punish success or impede just and fair progression. I only want to balance the game mechanics to keep it fun and near-neck and neck between rivals.

[navarro951]

Bean, it absolutely is NOT your fault for being either a higher rank nor for being so much higher than anyone else. The game system is unbalanced, and like any good video game requires a patch to nerf certain aspects or make other things stronger/better.

Why can't I say the game is boring because either you or anyone else is a higher ranking player? I can say whatever I want; but what I said was that the game was becoming less fun because only one person was so much higher than all the others. Again, it is an balancing issue.

It is very true that you have broken no rules whatsoever, and I'm not angry with you for your success in the game. My issue is with the balancing of the game. You are the only Quaestor, even your closest IC allies are only Duxi or Legati. Your opposition is the same and it makes for lopsided gameplay since you can form a house and start a civil war and attack your IC enemies, whereas they can only respond to your attacks - you get the unfair advantage of a "pre-emptive" first strike; which I believe goes against the spirit of the game. Now, that's not to say that you would necessarily take such action; but it is a realistic threat.

Regarding the Punic War Event, it is circumstantial evidence at best; but when you look at it from the outside, it was proposed by a group of IC friends, voted in-favor by IC friends, and it is currently benefiting only those IC friends - Legio I is getting experience fighting in Gaul, Legio II is getting experience fighting in Illyria, and the Legio III was actually only assigned - by edict - the role to go guard the northern passes to the Alps. We were voted to do absolutely nothing except guard against an AI incursion while all the other armies were assigned active fighting. We took it upon ourselves to fight the rebels in Italy when TCV's computer went down. In Game, Legio I and II are best of buds and so the events, while they may truly not be a 'plot' are skewed to benefit a limited number of people. Your character has benefited from it personally by having been assinged the role of the only fighting force near a hostile enemy (either by the 'event' itself or by an edict). You have gained rank, personal body guards, the role of provincial governor, and now a Triumphus *(which you do deserve).

I wasn't in charge of moving the Third Legion anywhere until just this week when Potocello couldn't take the save because of RL goings on. And again, our assigned mission per the Edict was to go north and sit - NOT to go to Sicily or Rhegion. We defied that senate order purposely in order to bring some balance and hopefully get in a fight with some Carthaginians. The Legio IV Roma was supposed to fight the rebels in Italy and guard the southern tip of the penninsula. In the end, we didn't miss out on any action because - by the design of others - we weren't supposed to get any.

And everyone, Asina - may he rest in peace - would most definitely be Praetor by now, which would be absolutely peachy keen if there were others to be even close to balancing the power he would have. Again, I do not seek to punish success or impede just and fair progression. I only want to balance the game mechanics to keep it fun and near-neck and neck between rivals.

Actually, if i could get at least YOUR support Legio IV under my temporary command and you with Legio III could take sicilia and you would no doubt be near quaestor by then. You have to remember the event was in no way made to better our position. Bean has been in command of Legio II since its formation so he has been around longer. In WotB, like everyone said, I was nothing until I finally got a shot at commanding my own army. Everyone was moving up and I finally made the second rank. So i see your point, but its simply who came first. Bean has been here, along with everyone, since day 1 of BtSH so regardless of how we reform ranks he still would of been somewhere.

Indeed, had asina not died, he would be even MORE powerful than cotta.

whoa. I didn't notice the quaestor's rank requirements were changed......which makes it more confusing. I think I'll just wait for mini's rank change proposals.

personally i recommend against this but its entirely up to you.

[mini]

Does that mean you are against my rank reforms navarro?

[navarro951]

Does that mean you are against my rank reforms navarro?

o Im sorry absolutely not. I find you knowledge of Roman rank and military structure fantastic and look forward to how you present them. If you have a few in a "finalized" stage Id love to see them in a PM so we can come to a gamemaster/player conclusion and I will even help you propose a few of them as CA's or Edicts.

I am simply saying that you cant argue with a hefty amount of time put into a game you know? Experience and time is bound to get its rewards. I suppose the best example would be to jump into LotR...they have many houses with many high ups and it would take time for you to get your own land and things you see? (if you dont know what i mean you can read their rules. It is much more of a challenge to get promoted)

[mini]

I am already involved in LOTR, so I know what you mean.
And it's true that ppl that play more, should GET more :)


That's why in my system, you have to get somewhere first, before you can get elected to the nifty offices.



You can expect a PM on Monday from me :)

[navarro951]

I am already involved in LOTR, so I know what you mean.
And it's true that ppl that play more, should GET more :)


That's why in my system, you have to get somewhere first, before you can get elected to the nifty offices.



You can expect a PM on Monday from me :)

Indeed, I look forward to seeing them and appreciate your time and effort into bettering my game

[navarro951]

okay i have reinstalled everything, not sure why it happened anyway, but I am able to take the save now. During the coming council phase 2 will be implemented. Still waiting for those event stories everyone

[everyone]

okay i have reinstalled everything, not sure why it happened anyway, but I am able to take the save now. During the coming council phase 2 will be implemented. Still waiting for those event stories everyone

ehwhat? oh here:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2167117

@ TCM:
and I almost forgot about that weird edict saying legio III should stay and guard somewhere, so I didn't really consider that as your argument. the 12 turns which it applies is almost over, therefore another decision needs to be made about legio III.
but since Cicero decided to retrain legio III first, it seems III is the one which is going to see action sooner.

personally i recommend against this but its entirely up to you.

well I don't see the difference....basing on what mini posted earlier, and the clarifications I made, Quaestors would be provincial governors without provincial legions. never mind.

[navarro951]

yes, I will be spawning war ships for us at no cost.

[navarro951]

new map in the library, hope you all like. I will use a different color each time, sorta like a history book. I probably wont update it again till say 245 er so.

edit: ill also update it with other factions expansions soon. For now it just shows us, il re upload when im done.

[/Bean\]

Please find below, for your convenience, maps of various areas of the Romani extension by year.

Yearly extension of the Romani

Surely if your doing that, Navarro, you need to show the other factions' progressions as well? Otherwise, very cool idea.

[Iskander 3.1]

This is not Calvin Ball.

Can we still make them sing the "I'm so Sorry Song"?

:)

[navarro951]

you gonna end the turn soon everyone? so we can get this council goin.

[everyone]

it's not 24 hours yet, so I can't end it now, but it's less than 12 hours left. and there may still be people who are going to take the save (e.g. bean, TCM).
speaking of taking saves, next person to do so, please turn on fog of war.

[navarro951]

well this game is supposed to be played without FOW you know

[everyone]

turn on fow = unlift fog of war, which means the fog of war is there, so we can't see everything in the map.
and we may have different interpretation of what 'turn on fow' means

[navarro951]

wow, surprised to see LotR discussing its possible end. Makes me fear civil wars in this game even more, and im also glad i made the personal legions rule.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Mooks, you going to take the save tonight? The consular legion killed the last rebel army in Italia, so there's nothing for you to fight, unfortunately; but if you want to move us somewhere, go for it. Tomorrow the council begins and there's nothing anyone will be able to do.

[everyone]

I shall be taking the save in around 5 hours....and if you don't have enough time to take the save, place whatever you want your character to do in your SOT.
@ bean: you need not move legio II away from Illyria, just move those garrison units back.

[/Bean\]

No, I'm taking the whole legion back before half the Senate kill themselves...and then me.

And then I'll 'travel' to Roma for the Congressional Session, my Triumph and some telling off's.

@Mini, have you decided what CA's your going to propose? Cos I would suggest you use one of them to see if we can propose CA's outside of the Congressionals.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

@ Mini:

I believe you can condense your Charter Ammendments (since we have a limited number of Duxasaureses) into their scope.

That is to say, put all rank changes into one Charter Ammendment, all governing changes into another, all electable offices into a separate one, etc so that way we can get them all in this session.

Good luck, I'm looking forward to seconding them

[/Bean\]

Yeah thats a good point. I also have 2 CA proposal using things. Too bad I'm not Provincial Governer anymore. They have unlimited CA proposal things.

Are we voting for Consuls and TotP's this session as well?

Oh, and if Mini's not here for the weekend, how is he going to propose his laws? Did he PM anyone?

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Bean, you entered the Curia like some evil wizard come to steal the village maidens and demand subservience from the town folk!

[/Bean\]

I thought thats how everybody saw me nowadays.

I hate not being able to use the word 'everyone' without worrying Everyone will think I'm talking about him...

[desert]

So guys, how does my character sound in the Curia? Is he boring, rude, and arrogant enough? Does he hate plebeians enough? If you need a reference, check his traits in the penultimate page of the Sign-up thread.

[navarro951]

^^haha hes okay in my book. I do think all this nonsense about taking cotta away from his command is a bit dumb. Its like taking the 13th from Caesar. You cant blame him for following orders and winning battles. This isnt preschool where we all share a chance to pet the bunny

[/Bean\]

This is starting to get too harsh now. An edict against me? What the hell? I hate Pleblian-hating Senators...

[desert]

I'm actually against TCM in RL, but I need to roleplay him according to his traits.

So, really, do his traits match his character in the Curia? Should he be more boring? Dumber?

I need to know!