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[SwissBarbar]

Also, I demand satisfaction! *ducks* (Just for Swiss I'll request satisfaction re: my vote initiative; but it better be good satisfaction)

EDIT: Uuuuh, I just saw that you did not support my Edict Imagine the laughter on my face melting down to a violent shock, a scarred-for-life-like expression of infuriation and revenge-seeking insanity

I disagree. Having 4 (or any number) who would be members of a house != having an edict seconded. Since they didn't do it, we can't just pretend they did, so the edict shouldn't even go to voting.

Edit: by the way, on the subject of creating a new voting thread I kind of agree.

That is not something you will have to deal with. Thats my job to count the votes, not as a any character I will not miss one. And I am not going to let other edicts be allowed without seconds. 6.4 was allowed simply because I missed a seconding. That is all. I will count the votes same as always. And it does not matter, 6.4 appears unanimous anyway.


If it was not during the time of legislation proposal...its a no go. Rules are rules.

okayokay, just was beeing friendly. I can't help it, I'm just such an amiable fellow. *sigh*

[The Celtic Viking]

TCV: everyone does indeed make mistakes, in fact, in recalling certain events in my life I stopped and thought about an occasion where I believed I had made one. However, upon closer introspection, I realized that I had not made a mistake at that time, thereby making my very first mistake by assuming I had ever actually made one in the first place.

Oh, how I know the feeling. I do that pretty much every single time I take a test in school.

[everyone]

I suppose the save is open now, now that the voting is over.

[The Celtic Viking]

Edict 6.2- Passes Unanimously

Edict 6.3- Passes Unanimously

Hey! I voted against those!

GM CA 6.2- Passes Unanimously

And tolg voted against that!

I demand a recount!

[/Bean\]

Oh for crying out quietly. I demand no more recounts!!

[/Bean\]

OOC: Since you left the Curia before saying it, I can't very well tell you this IC, but you can't do that. If you step down from commanding Legio II, everyone who wish to command it must have the chance to apply for it, since it's the senate who chooses the commander, not the previous one.

I step down, therefore the position automatically goes to the next highest ranking officer until a decision is made.

[everyone]

gah! I just realised the save is not open! the thread is still locked!
navarro, don't take the save until 24 hours from when you open it please. (just a reminder because you tend to forget that)

[The Celtic Viking]

I step down, therefore the position automatically goes to the next highest ranking officer until a decision is made.

That's not how you did it. You didn't put him under temporary command until someone is appointed, you simply tried to pass the command over to him.

Although Navarro may have to decide this, I disagree with what you say here anyway. The position remains vacant until someone is appointed. Avlvs Aemilivs hasn't been appointed as the commander, ergo he isn't the commander, ergo he can't move it around or order it to attack. If it is attacked where it is he can still fight the battle of course, but that's it.

[/Bean\]

I can't remain commander, I can't leave command...

[SwissBarbar]

Now it's getting ridiculous. We could say that Cotta became sick and rests in bed, as it's been done in Legio III.

Legio II is commanded to attack Ambrakia, so it cannot wait until it is attacked. The only Legatvs besides Cotta, who actually is Praetor, in the legion is Avlvs. Therefore it would be up to him anyway to lead the men, since it would be only logical that not some random dude took over the legion but the one that serverd 10 years in that army and knows it better than anyone else

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

While the mechanics of a command change may officially be under scrutiny, all Bean has to do is say that he's unable to take the save and therefore his 2nd will automatically be allowed to do whatever it is that the legion is supposed to do.

Indeed, I did it when Potocello was gone for a week with the Third Legion.

[SwissBarbar]

Which is completely OK

[/Bean\]

Oh damn, what a patch of bad luck. My computer has been stolen!!! Those horrible computer-stealing-fiends!

I guess I am unable to take the save for a few days until I buy a new computer. I guess I will have to trust SwissBarbar to take the save for me and capture Ambrakia. Cotta can either observe the battle from afar, or stay in Epidmanos until Ambrakia is taken.

I feel so gutted.

[The Celtic Viking]

Now it's getting ridiculous. We could say that Cotta became sick and rests in bed, as it's been done in Legio III.

Legio II is commanded to attack Ambrakia, so it cannot wait until it is attacked. The only Legatvs besides Cotta, who actually is Praetor, in the legion is Avlvs. Therefore it would be up to him anyway to lead the men, since it would be only logical that not some random dude took over the legion but the one that serverd 10 years in that army and knows it better than anyone else

I have no problem with doing it that way or TCM's way for that matter(as long as it's a temporary thing ), as Cotta remains the commander (at least on paper) of Legio II that way. I'm not opposing you commanding Legio II, I only want it to be done in a fair and correct way.

Oh damn, what a patch of bad luck. My computer has been stolen!!! Those horrible computer-stealing-fiends!

I guess I am unable to take the save for a few days until I buy a new computer. I guess I will have to trust SwissBarbar to take the save for me and capture Ambrakia. Cotta can either observe the battle from afar, or stay in Epidmanos until Ambrakia is taken.

I feel so gutted.

[SwissBarbar]

I appreciate your attitude ;-)

[navarro951]

This really needs to be done IC. New rule states that once a legion has served 10 years it must return to a Italia settlement, receive a new commander, and then be set off on a different campaign if one is open.

Also, due to reforms, I will be rewriting most of the game rules, so in 2 days time or so Id appreciate it if everyone would reread the rules to be up to speed, thank you.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Bean, when you *recover* your *stolen* *computer* - wait, computer is an actual thing, strike that last bit - empty your message box!

EDIT: Also, please update your SOT posts with new ranks and legion assignments (a PM to me would be really nice!) because I would like to edit the Phalerium to show these new changes.

[everyone]

Legio I Apulia: Orders are to establish a defensive position in Tolosa, retrain, and commision a new commander.

Legio II Latium: Orders are to capture the city of Ambrakia, wait to establish a garrison there, and return home (OOC: Any Italia province.) for an order of leave. After which, a change of command will be proclaimed.

Legio III Campania: Orders are to retrain, and await Consul Manivs Cicero's orders to invade Sicilia.

Consular Legio I Roma: Orders are to change command to Consul Manivs Cicero, retrain, and lead the fight into Sicilia.

Legio V Italia: Orders are to be trained, commissioned, be given a commander, and await further orders from the senate.

gah! I thought this would only apply after the next session?
anyway, this moving guys around and change of command seems to require a lot of time to march around. I'm thinking of something I should have proposed previously.

EDIT (because I just remembered something):
if navarro could confirm that "Any player can propose Rule Changes, regardless of IC rank at any given time"; I would like to propose this whenever possible (in spoilers first):
added to wherever the new ranks rule would be added to.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

RC 1:
in the case of distances that would prevent the player from reaching their destination within 4 turns in-game, the "move_character" console command may be used to transport only the bodyguard (not army) of that player to his new appointment.

I wouldn't want something like LotR where you need to march around a lot just to get to your destination, for example the CoF need to be in Roma, after the session he choses a governorship in Asia Minor, or egypt, or Hispania ulterior

[navarro951]

One incredible battle report Swiss, reminds me of some of Beans older ones, good stuff .

[SwissBarbar]

thank you

[everyone]

hmmm...how am I supposed to go around recruiting Pedites extraordinarii?

I may wish to call an emergency session to tie up some loose ends in the recent session's CA's, unless navarro confirms that it wouldn't be too much of a trouble if we vote on RCs out of session.

here are the proposed RCs for all to see whether is the change/emergency session/voting needed:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

RC1:
in the case of distances that would prevent the player from reaching their destination within 4 turns in-game after a congressional session, the "move_character" console command may be used to transport only the bodyguard (not army) of that player to his new appointment.

RC2:
in the case that specific units may not be recruited for a specific army due to distance or the lack of MICs, a substitute may be made (e.g. pedites replaced by triarii, or 2 hastati, etc); only upon confirmation with <somebody that requires confirmation with>

RC3:
the CoL may add units to whichever legions he please upon request of the legion's commander, but up to no more than 4 units. the units added shall remain with the legion until it is decommissioned on destroyed.

the 1st is to prevent something like LotR where you might spend the entire game (as one character did) marching around the campaign map to your destination.
the 2nd is because we can't recruit pedites extraordinarii as of now, and we can only recruit .
the 3rd is for Civil wars, like a house gets a member into the CoL position (similarly for the CoF which may build wherever and decide whether to build whatever he wishes). and don't worry about me being CoL, I'm not going to run for it for a long time. in fact, I wouldn't have ran for the position if I knew that Cicero would be sent to Sicily; because I already had plans in Tolosa; and having my name in all but one in the list of CoLs in the senate library is getting boring.

@ navarro: please reply to the most recent PM I sent you, thanks

[SwissBarbar]

According to the Recruitment viewer you should be able to recruit them in the 4 regions in central italy with a native MIC level 4

[everyone]

we don't have the MIC, neither do we have the money to upgrade it to that level
edit: what do you think of the other two? are they reasonable?

[Tolg]

RC 1 is unavoidable if we want to keep the game playable, I think it should apply to armies that have to return to Italy (after 9 years) as well, walking Legion 254 back from Bactria to Rome might be somewhat troublesome. ;) - Then again the 9 years rule shouldn't apply for legions in Bactria anyway.

The same goes for RC 2, though I think it should only be allowed to replace units with cheaper/weaker units of the same origin.

RC 3 is fine with me as well, but I'm somewhat worried that it might beat the purpose of the legion reforms...

[/Bean\]

You know the Romani problems with the move_character? Few characters who weren't there from the beginning will be able to move.

[/Bean\]

Oh, and can i start my PG in Ambrakia now?

[Tolg]

You know the Romani problems with the move_character?

Never heard of it.

[everyone]

RC 1 is unavoidable if we want to keep the game playable, I think it should apply to armies that have to return to Italy (after 9 years) as well, walking Legion 254 back from Bactria to Rome might be somewhat troublesome. ;) - Then again the 9 years rule shouldn't apply for legions in Bactria anyway.

The same goes for RC 2, though I think it should only be allowed to replace units with cheaper/weaker units of the same origin.

RC 3 is fine with me as well, but I'm somewhat worried that it might beat the purpose of the legion reforms...

well the legion reforms means there would be a minimum of 10 units in a legion, so there would still be space; and now that I think of it, it may also mean that some legions may get unbalanced and stuff.

You know the Romani problems with the move_character? Few characters who weren't there from the beginning will be able to move.

I don't know whether would this idea work, because I've never tried it:
you know how when you merge one force into another force, the one that is stationary (not the one which is merged) remains the dominant one;
which is shown in this example:
you have part of Legio III led by Decimus Curius, its composition is: decimus Curius' bodyguard, 1 rorarii, 1 hastati, 1 principes; and another part led by Sextus Julius and its composition is (in order): Sextus Julius' bodyguard, 1 triarii, 1 equites. you move Decimus Curius' force into Sextus's.
the new force's composition would be in this order:
Sextus Julius, Decimus Curius, triarii, equites, rorarii, hastati, principes.
so in this case you could move_character sextus around without moving another guy also named sextus; and therefore you could also move Decimus Curius around.

so we could use a character as a 'host' (e.g. mine, since bean had no problem moving him when instructed by edict 5.something); then have the target character join his force, move_character the host to the destination, move the target character to the city; then move_character the host back to his original position, character_reset him if necessary.

[Tolg]

Isn't the general of an army always the most capable FM in the army? (Though I don't know by which means the RTW engine decides which one's more capable if they've got the same number of command stars)

Perhaps we could reserve one general for moving the other and make sure that he is better than all other generals by using the console to add traits? (Of course this general wouldn't be available as avatar)

[Mooks]

I got to hand it to everyone, your house standard (The front page picture) is pretty sexy.