OOC Thread and Chatroom

[Potocello]

navarro i know i know, but now they're really getting close! hahah

[navarro951]

you know what i really fear and may come as a good thing for some of you with all these proposal ideas as well need an emergency council?

in most of my Romani campaigns, in 264 its either scripted or coincidence, but Carthage seems to attack Messana in that year alot and starts the 1st Punic. Im about to end the turn and it may happen at anytime in this following year. So then it will be to hell with greece and the epirotes, but ALL FREAKIN LEGIONS REPORT SOUTH haha.

[navarro951]

@SwissBarbar your SOT has given me an idea. ill be adding a part to the library showing each battle each legio has been involved in so we can better argue our experience in the Curia.

[Potocello]

you know what i really fear and may come as a good thing for some of you with all these proposal ideas as well need an emergency council?

in most of my Romani campaigns, in 264 its either scripted or coincidence, but Carthage seems to attack Messana in that year alot and starts the 1st Punic. Im about to end the turn and it may happen at anytime in this following year. So then it will be to hell with greece and the epirotes, but ALL FREAKIN LEGIONS REPORT SOUTH haha.

I'm game, i think it would be sweet if we had the 1st Punic war, i think it would be a lot of fun

[navarro951]

I know i actually am hoping for it to put all these dumb greece invasion arguments down. At least now well have a reason to attack another faction, not just for money.

[Potocello]

Well if they attack Messena we should attack them saying that they are too close or they will attack rome next. I dunno

[desert]

Why not discuss reports of Carthaginian attacks in the Curia, but with a twist - all of them are false!

I'm sure Tiberius would love to fabricate a casus belli.

[navarro951]

well, they would be false, but that angle is not necessary. They have imposed forces close to us and we havent at all. Thats reason enough. The real treaty the Romans and Carthaginians had was that none of their forces could enter Messana or the region there either. They have utterly violated it for some 5 years now.

[desert]

O rly? Proof or it didn't happen.

[Mooks]

Potocello, Iv been saying what you have long before you ever did. Your arguement is nothing fresh.

[navarro951]

you mean you want proof that was the treaty?

[desert]

Nah, I'm just messing with you!

[navarro951]

oo haha i can give it to you tho

[navarro951]

The conflict began after both Rome and Carthage intervened in Messana, the point of Sicily closest to Rome.

In 288 BC the Mamertines -- a group of Italian (Campanian) mercenaries originally hired by Agathocles of Syracuse -- occupied the city of Messana (modern Messina) in the northeastern tip of Sicily, killing all the men and taking the women as their wives.[4] At the same time a group of Roman troops made up of Campanian "citizens without the vote" also seized control of Rhegium, which lies across the straits on the mainland of Italy. In 270 BC the Romans regained control of Rhegium and severely punished the survivors of the revolt. In Sicily the Mamertines ravaged the countryside and collided with the expanding regional empire of the independent city of Syracuse. Hiero II, tyrant of Syracuse, defeated the Mamertines near Mylae on the Longanus River.[5] Following the defeat at the river Longanus the Mamertines appealed to both Rome and Carthage for assistance, and acting first the Carthaginians approached Hiero to take no further action and convinced the Mamertines to accept a Carthaginian garrison in Messana. Either unhappy with the prospect of a Carthaginian garrison, or convinced that the recent alliance between Rome and Carthage against Pyrrhus reflected cordial relations between the two, the Mamertines petitioned Rome for an alliance, hoping for more reliable protection. However, the rivalry between Rome and Carthage had grown since the war with Pyrrhus; an alliance with both powers was simply no longer feasible.[6]

A considerable debate took place in Rome on the question of whether to accept the Mamertines' appeal for help, and thus likely enter into a war with Carthage. While the Romans did not wish to come to the aid of soldiers who had unjustly stolen a city from its rightful possessors, and although they were still recovering from the insurrection of Campanian troops at Rhegium in 271, many were also unwilling to see Carthaginian power in Sicily expand even further. Leaving the Carthaginians alone at Messana would give them a free hand to deal with Syracuse; after the Syracusans had been defeated, the Carthaginian takeover of Sicily would essentially be complete.[7] A deadlocked senate put the matter before the popular assembly, where it was decided to accept the Mamertines' request and Appius Claudius Caudex was appointed commander of a military expedition with orders to cross to Messana.

Its on any site you look at. This is wiki's.

[navarro951]

Scipio eyes him back, unfaltering.

Or it would merely take a vote.

*Scipio takes his seat. Obviosly exhausted. His education ended years ago yet hes stuck in Rome, wasting his time because the senators wont send Rome's legions abroad. Why recruit them then? Shouldnt they be at home, farming their fields and making babies, then in the drilling fields? What kind of nation recruits armies then keeps them at home? Scipio decides to relax his throat, and start making friends and alliances to get his rank above a mere legatus. First he needs to get out of this city though.*

hmm a bit odd considering all but 1 legion is involved in a combat action right now. Legio III is just awaiting orders as every legio has done at least once.

[Mooks]

Im done argueing for my proposal. Someone please move my character to the Capuan fort with Legio III.

Also how are we going to roleplay Carthrage's navy? Their navy destroyed time and again Rome's fleet (that and storms) it just feels wrong to try to roleplay and not include a major factor, like the navy of a major seafaring power.

[navarro951]

well, and i know you have a fare knowledge of Rome and Punic wars (i enjoyed our AIM chat by the way haha was very intelligent) the Romans did start out winning on land but getting their asses handed to them at sea. I do kno that eventually they raised a good size navy and one some big sea battles. So i guess an edict could be proposed to raise navy with the add_money cheat. We could say that merchant ships were scrapped and the wood was used to make new fleets. Idk, its up 2 the curia of course well see what happens.

[Potocello]

Potocello, Iv been saying what you have long before you ever did. Your arguement is nothing fresh.

umm the alliance with Epeiros is new...that was the turning point for me, i was against it before. plus i dont want to go to war unless they attack Messana or us...

and fresh or not, what does it matter?

[navarro951]

^^^granted, but it would be smarter to gain the upper hand. i mean sure we could wait for them to attack us and then what? Rhegion would be besieged while the plebs wait for a legio to arrive???

[desert]

Did they really make an alliance with Epeiros?
I thought they just had a ceasefire.

[Potocello]

oh no i think you're right desert i think it was a ceasefire.

@navarro i think Longvs will end up supporting a war with Carthage due to their most recent maneuvers.

[navarro951]

oh no i think you're right desert i think it was a ceasefire.

@navarro i think Longvs will end up supporting a war with Carthage due to their most recent maneuvers.

well i hope, as much fun as civil war can be, i would hate for these political differences to get any worse. I hope everyone does not abuse the civil wars and start calling them on every little bickering. I plan to be as intelligent as possible before i ever end up doing that sort of mess.

and yes it was a ceasefire, which sort of bothers me, or rather Blasio, but at the same time who was it Mooks or sumone who in the curia said it was an already concluded war. Sorta true, but their are definitely now other reasons as to why we may need to take action against them.

[Potocello]

yah at this point, Carthage has gone a bit too far. Your right about the civil wars too, I mean Rome didnt have a civil war every time they disagreed. If they did, they would have had a civil war a day. It would have been absurd if a civil war had come from this whole Greece thing, i mean it was only an idea, and people went to far with the insults i think; myself included

[navarro951]

ya i suppose we all got carried away, just started watching that show Rome. Gift from my girlfriend, gotta love her haha! its pretty good so far.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Why not discuss reports of Carthaginian attacks in the Curia, but with a twist - all of them are false!

I'm sure Tiberius would love to fabricate a casus belli.

My true skills have been noticed! At least there's a couple here who like my theatrics

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

well i hope, as much fun as civil war can be, i would hate for these political differences to get any worse. I hope everyone does not abuse the civil wars and start calling them on every little bickering. I plan to be as intelligent as possible before i ever end up doing that sort of mess.

I wholeheartedly agree. I like decrying the treasonous behaviors of others to better my own position; but a Civil War should only be available (and it is according to the rules) when we're much more established and have significant groups who want to vie for power - just like you could only march on rome in vanilla RTW if you reached a certain threshold. We should also make a CA that says only one civil war per decade (or some other time limit) to symbolize order being restored and then unhappiness/plotting running its course leading up to new bloodshed.

Also, I don't want to step on the toes of RP'ers, but perhaps we could all come to an agreement (or vote on it in the Curia) to have an official code of conduct with permissible things to say about others and viable punishments. Real governments have their own rules and codes of conduct for their legislators, so I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to create one in our Curia for realism and for continued flow of events without such chaos.

Odd that I would suggest such a thing

[everyone]

ok, who is the person who started the idea that Epeiros allied with Carthage? they're not. they're neutral.
bah.
and are we going to take mediolanum any time soon? because I'm still deciding what to do with S.P. Carbo, other than letting him scout around.

[desert]

Yeah, like when someone called Blasio "Basileus" in the Curia (I'm assuming he used the actual Greek word, and not rex) - in ancient Rome that would have been disrespect like woah and if someone had said that they'd better have had a lot of Vaseline ready for the impending ass-rape. Figuratively speaking, of course.

[Mooks]

I personally would only wage a civil war if I could honestly roleplay my troops being loyal to me and not Rome.

I dont want a war with Epiros because of how unnatractive their provinces are and how hard they are too attack. I also dont want a war in Sicily because of the full garrisons and nearby Punics (Sometimes they do land troops from the mainland). Greece on the other hand is pretty much pie compared to the other 2 options.

Also, we didnt go too far with the insults. We were barely insulting eachother at all. You totalwar forumers really have no idea what internet insults truely are. I used to play a browser game called Drugrunners. Sounds wierd but it was highly addictive (Until new manangement screwed everything up). It attracted alot of thugs and internet ego's, now THOSE were some flame wars. Curse words every post, a witty post every once in a while followed by a "well **** you". Really had some fun in those days....

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

I know Bean mentioned that you could change your Name in the User Control Panel (and I did it once before) but I can't for the life of me find where to do that again. Any help?