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[navarro951]

All nighters are fun, go nuts. I might do one too actually now that you give me the idea...

man i wish i could do those again!

[Potocello]

hahaha too busy lately navarro? I am good to go, vacation has been great this week although i'm bummed tomorrow is friday, no more vacation next week.

[navarro951]

hah busy is two small a word...life has been meddlesome haha.

edit: also im off to work right now, ill be home in time to start the CC!

[navarro951]

ill be home in an hour getting off work now.

[/Bean\]

"Blasio, it is an affront to the gods that you call this a "republic". I thank Marcellus for his support and I fully agree that a punishment is in order. You do not seriously think such criminal offences you have committed would go unpunished, would you?

Is Marcellus Tiberius? I get confused...

[The Celtic Viking]

All Senators rose upon his arrival

I think you should refrain from saying stuff like that (emphasis added). Actually, from what is said in the opening post in the Stories thread, I think it is strictly forbidden for you to do that, since it involves other people's avatars, and you must get permission from those in control of them to write anything about what their characters do or say. If you say something like "senators rose" then it's fine, because it doesn't automatically include everyone.

Is Marcellus Tiberius? I get confused...

Yes, that's correct. He referred to my character by his last name (Regulus), and since I trust him to be a better authority on which name was generally used than I am (I really have no clue, except it's not the middle name), I did the same.

If anyone could just tell me which one it is I would gladly fall in line.

[/Bean\]

I thought it was the law that you had to rise upon a Coronia Civica persons' entrance?

[SwissBarbar]

Yes, in this special case. For the usual sessions in the curia I agree with TCV.

However, I have to remind you all for RP-Reasons in the curia not to confuse the word dictator in its actual meaning with the rank of dictator of ancient rome, which was a highly popular and respected rank, and nothing like a tyrant - at least not until 50 BC

[The Celtic Viking]

If law = compliance with the law, there wouldn't be any criminals, would there?

But regardless of that, my objection was mainly meant for future references anyway.

[/Bean\]

Haha touche

[mini]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Yes, that's correct. He referred to my character by his last name (Regulus), and since I trust him to be a better authority on which name was generally used than I am (I really have no clue, except it's not the middle name), I did the same.

If anyone could just tell me which one it is I would gladly fall in line.

In fact, the correct (polite) way to address someone are the first 2 names :)
eg: addressing me in the normal polite way would be Quintus Aemilius.

It was not since 1AD that using the last name became more of a habit. Calling someone by the last part (won't bother using the latin names for each part) was considered rude mostly. Even by 1BC it was still usually not done, only in the radical progressive circles.

The third part was usually only used when the subject was 3rd person, and confusion was possible.
example
marcus brutus and Gaius Tiddlypus are talking about Publius Cornelius.
Unfortunately, the subject is about a war in gaul, and there are 2 Publius Corneliusses active there.
Therefore we specify which one we're talking about with the 3rd part.

conclusion: as a rule, use the first 2 parts ;-) with few exceptions on random occassions (or simply when being rude)

I wish everyone would stick to this rule, as it's 1) RP-correct 2) polite and 3) less confusing.

I thought it was the law that you had to rise upon a Coronia Civica persons' entrance?

This was actually a law introduced by Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, after the Civil War during his dictatorship. On all public occassions, all men should stand and applaud the bearer of a coronia civica.
So everytime you walk into the senate, we rise and applause. Same thing on court occassions, comita sessions etc.

[/Bean\]

I love history lessons. However, if your really friendly with someone (no, not like that ) would you just call them by their first first name?

And if your talking about yourself if the third person, what would you use?

[mini]

Calling people by their first name was generally not done in the early republic.
Especially not in public.

Of course when in private, first names or nicknames could easily be applied.

But in public? Always the 2 parts
If you like history lessons
Quintus Aemilius Regillus
= Praenomen + Nomen + cognomen :)

Similar to our First name - Family name and nickname (though unlike now, the latter sometimes became hereditary)


Even when talking about yourself, you should apply praenomen+nomen. (unless ur talking to yourself in private. Even there I would use both, since it was standard behaviour to use both)

I know it is weird, because modern society only uses first names :)
But in the roman time, general practise was as above :)

[The Celtic Viking]

In fact, the correct (polite) way to address someone are the first 2 names :)
eg: addressing me in the normal polite way would be Quintus Aemilius.

It was not since 1AD that using the last name became more of a habit. Calling someone by the last part (won't bother using the latin names for each part) was considered rude mostly. Even by 1BC it was still usually not done, only in the radical progressive circles.

The third part was usually only used when the subject was 3rd person, and confusion was possible.
example
marcus brutus and Gaius Tiddlypus are talking about Publius Cornelius.
Unfortunately, the subject is about a war in gaul, and there are 2 Publius Corneliusses active there.
Therefore we specify which one we're talking about with the 3rd part.

conclusion: as a rule, use the first 2 parts ;-) with few exceptions on random occassions (or simply when being rude)

I wish everyone would stick to this rule, as it's 1) RP-correct 2) polite and 3) less confusing.

Awesome! Thanks. I agree people should use it, but unfortunately, there are those ignorant of it (like I was just a few minutes ago), so it would require that it was put up as a reminder somewhere where especially new players would easily see it. Now that I know I will try to use it, though.

[/Bean\]

Agreed. It does mean that EVERYBODY whould have their character name in their sig. Its very annoying when you have to leave and hurry down to the Senate Library find out their full name when your in the middle of a speech. It keeps everyone waiting

[everyone]

It keeps everyone waiting

it doesn't

anyway, it seems nobody's taken notice on the war against Carthage...I'll just post an edict about it.

[/Bean\]

I took notice...just no one took notice of my thing about sending you to parlay

[The Celtic Viking]

I took notice... only no one took notice of my need to be reminded of it.

[SwissBarbar]

EdiT:

Pvblis Atilivs shakes his head.

"So it has come to war, then? So be it. It has come to Legio I to, alone, enter southern Gaul? So be it. It has come to me to defend the Allies I first helped to secure? So be it. However, if I and Legio I Apvlia is to safely achieve this, I must again request that Legio I be strengthened, in only a slightly modified version of my last proposal:

Edict 5.3: A unit of hastati from Legio I Apvlia should be disbanded and replaced by two units of triarii, and a unit of of accensi from the same replaced with leves.

Neither the Carthaginians nor the Gauls themselves are any laughing matter, and we need any swinging man we can get. If Caius Aurelius or Servivs Sempronivs wish their legions improved as well, they should propose what edicts they can asking for that, and I will give what support they give to my proposal."

I agree with the replacement, for its historically accuracy, but why 1 unit of hastati into 2 of triarii? Or is this just the shortcut of: Hastati ---> Principes and Principes -----> Triarii, which in the end would be the same?

[Mooks]

In the curia it says Carthrage declared war on us, but I cant find anythign about that in the consul reports.

[/Bean\]

Roleplayed in preperation for upcoming event.

[everyone]

gah! it seems people have not seen the story yet, go here:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2142450

and I'll edit the post in the Curia about Cicero (or Manius Claudius) raising the issue of carthage)

[mini]

Can someone give me the composition of our legions?
Just curious bout the historical correctness ;)

Don't have acces to the game (work atm, girlfriend whole wkend ;p).


PS: should you wonder why I haven't spoken in the Curia yet, I feel my character is too junior for it :)
I'm a mere bakcbencher for now ;)

[/Bean\]

Fair enough .

Legio II is, for the moment, 3 hastati, 1 principes, 1 rorraii, 2 acensai, and 1 equites, plus the generals. I think...

[mini]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The command unit for all armies is the same; a general of sufficient age and office to lead and possibly a younger family member acting as tribune (or a legate if they're a quaestor or above). Additional family members are purely optional. The general should not be used as cavalry unless absolutely necessary. His job is to supervise from behind the fighting line, providing inspiration along with ensuring his men know that valour and cowardice both will be witnessed and this rewarded or punished as necessary. The tribune/legate on the other hand should be used as cavalry, since it is the place of young men aspiring to office to demonstrate their bravery.

Camillian
The Roman core of a Camillian consular army is two legions, represented by the following units:
1 unit of Leves
1 unit of Accensi
1 unit of Rorarii
2 units of Hastati
2 units of Principes
2 unit of Triarii
Optional: 1 unit of Equites (your FM tribune/legate can count as Roman cavalry)

The two socii alae are composed as follows:
2 units of allied skirmishers (any mix of javelineers, archers and slingers)
4 units of allied infantry (two different pairs of Samnite, Lucanian, Bruttium, Ligurian or Gallic infantry)
1 unit of pedites extraordinarii
1 unit of classical hoplites
1 or 2 units of allied cavalry (Campanian, Greek, Gallic, Ligurian or anything else available, or possibly equites extraordinarii)

Polybian
The Roman core of a Polybian consular army is two legions, represented by the following units:
1 unit of Velites
1 unit of Accensi
2 units of Hastati
2 units of Principes
1 unit of Triarii (or two if you're playing with half-sized maniples)
Optional: 1 unit of Equites (your FM tribune/legate can count as Roman cavalry)

The two socii alae are composed as follows:
2 units of allied skirmishers (any mix of javelineers, archers and slingers)
4 units of allied infantry (two different pairs of Samnite, Lucanian, Bruttium, Ligurian, Gallic, or Iberian infantry)
1 unit of pedites extraordinarii
1 or 2 units of allied cavalry (Campanian, Greek, Gallic, Ligurian or anything else available, or possibly equites extraordinarii)

Marian
The Roman core of a Marian army is as follows:
1st Legion
1 General
1 unit of First Cohort
1 unit of cohors reformata
1 unit of antesignani

2nd Legion
1 tribune
1 unit of First Cohort
1 unit of cohors reformata
1 unit of cohors evocata

Support
1 unit of Scorpions/arrow throwers

The allied part is as follows:
1 unit of allied javelin-men
1 unit of allied slingers or archers
1 unit of allied cavalry
Optional: 2 units of allied close-order foot

This represents two legions and their supporting artillery, light troops, cavalry and allied infantry. Feel free to add additional support units. A third legion can be presented by adding three more cohorts as above.

An option for early post-Marian troops is to have just the First Cohort and two normal cohorts as one legion, since there were as yet no veterans to draw upon.

Disposition
Camillian and Polybian armies should be deployed in the triplex acies, three lines giving strength in depth and keeping most of your forces in reserve. Marian forces can be deployed in three, two or even one line as befits the situation.

Key:
Gen - The general
FM - Family member
Tri - Triarii (or allied hoplites)
Pri - Principes
Has - Hastati
Ski - Accensi/Leves/Velites
Ror - Roraii
ASk - Allied Skirmisher
ALI - Allied Light Infantry
AHI - Allied Heavy Infantry
Cav - Cavalry

Camillian and Polybian

----ASk----Ski----Ski----ASk
Cav-----ALI----Has----Has----ALI----FM/Cav
----AHI-----Pri-----Pri-----AHI
--------Ror-----Tri-----Tri-----Gen

Placement of the General varies, as long as he's behind the fighting line it doesn't really matter. Put the extraordinarii wherever you want to, or keep in reserve with the general. The only difference between Camillian and Polybian armies is the absence of the Rorarii.

Those interested, in the spoiler you can find an accurate consular legion (actually 2 legions)

Therefore, legions under the command of a mere praetor, should be halved.


Text above is actually a quote from the following roman playguide:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=101787

I've been using it for years (it used to be an RTR guide, later adapted to EB).
There are some nice tips which can be used in general aswel.

[SwissBarbar]

thanks, great! I'm very interested in such information

[desert]

Hey, how does 1 unit of Principes become 2 units of Triarii? Am I missing something here?

[/Bean\]

Nope...veterans deserve to get upgraded. Also, we need more elite fighters for Illyria, seeing as Epirus has really up its military

[Mooks]

Bah, the whole story thing is just a plot between Everyone and Baen to increase legion 1's standing with easy victories. Bunch of crap.

[/Bean\]

What are you on about?