OOC Thread and Chatroom

[The Celtic Viking]

... but also because it's pretty much what I had decided to do when my computer broke and I made my "wounded in battle" excuse for not being able to lead the Legio IV. I figured if I was well enough to get actively involved in Roman politics, I was well enough to go to battle.

[Iskander 3.1]

Good luck in your conquoring Bean...and keep in mind that Scapula and I don't always see eye to eye on every issue

[mini]

navarro, check your pm

everyone else: good night! vale

[/Bean\]

Same here, I'm off. Laterz all. Twas a good session tonight

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

I've PMed Navarro to request that I implement an event, which is legal as I have not been requested to implement one in the past 10 turns and there are no rules stating we cannot have more than one event in effect at the same time.

As I understand the rule:

1.5 Events

Whenever they desire, but no more often than once every 10 turns, navarro951, or anyone he choose's may create an in-game Event.
Events are not limited in scope, subject matter, or method of implementation.
All game rules, including * marked rules, can be violated to implement an Event.
The players can prevent the implementation of any single Event through a simple majority of unweighted votes.

It is worded so that each player could be chosen at the same time to implement an event, however, not more than once per player per 10 turns.

[SwissBarbar]

It says "navarro, or anyone he chooses" which means that only he, or one instead of him, can implemet an event every 10 turns. This again means, that only one event (the one of navarro or the one of the person he chooses)can be created per 10 turns.

At least that's how I understand it.

[SwissBarbar]

Sorry for the double post:

After having read your argument in the curia, I now know why you want to implemet an event.

And:

"I am not making the decision to spawn an army, I suggested it as Role Play. As such, I think we should vote on it in the senate. I may request to make an event out of it and force you to fight them though, if you really insist on being a bugger about it."

1. Don't you please call me a bugger in OOC.
2. Then we should make a law, which tells navarro to spawn a 3/4 stack every single time a legion enters a foreign region, just to RP the rebelling peasants. This would be the only logical consequence, since we cannot just put stacks in the way of your political enemies and not in yours.

[navarro951]

It says "navarro, or anyone he chooses" which means that only he, or one instead of him, can implemet an event every 10 turns. This again means, that only one event (the one of navarro or the one of the person he chooses)can be created per 10 turns.

At least that's how I understand it.

you understand correctly. Besides an event is on going (the punic war) that still has a second phase to be implemented. That would be the part where Rome gains sicilia as it should at the end of the first punic.

[/Bean\]

I do have to agree here, TCM. The event your planning is due to an increase in resistance that Tiberivs Marcellvs wants Caivs Avrelivs to face. That is not grounds for initiating an event that requires complete enemy involvment, if you get me. Sorry, keep trying

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

- Bugger was directed at Bean, not you since he said "you can't decide that" in his post.
I'm taking that bugger must mean something different in Europe than it does in America. Here it means "an annoying little sh..".




- Ok, Navarro, the rules weren't as clear as they're being re-worded now; but you're the boss and if you now decide that only one event can go at a time, even though it isn't written that way, then that's the way it goes.

The correct way to read the rule in American English, as it is written at this time, is that either Navarro or someone he chooses can make an event not more than once per 10 turns.

That is to say that the only people who can make events are Navarro or whomever he chooses

and

both he and whomever he chooses can make said events only once each per 10 turns.

Therefore

the number of active events per every 10 turns can be "Number of players + 1 for navarro"




- Planning an event to impede a character is just as fair as planning an event to benefit yourselves. This whole event with the Punic War is all an attempt to advance Legios I and II at the expense of Legio III and all the new players. Bean has advanced far beyond all the other players and in talking with them, I know that several players think that the game is getting unbalanced and he needs to be nerfed until more can catch up and even the playing field. We don't take issue with him or anyone else being ahead; but with how far he is ahead.

He's the only character that can create a house, so he alone can start a civil war. And while any victim's of his may defend themselves, they can't initiate the attacks when he's leaving himself all alone fighting enemy kings and vulnerable. There needs to be some serious game reform to re-balance it or else it isn't fun and there's no sense in playing.

[SwissBarbar]

I translate it as "as***le" , but since I'm not a native speaker ....

[everyone]

darn I just sleep for 6 hours and go to school for 9 hours and a load of stuff happens again.

I think navarro's CA during the previous congressional session needs to be clarified; I originally interpreted it as "A quaestor my create a house via an edict during a congressional session; without the sponsoring of a praetor"; such as "edict 100.56473: The House of Juggling Mans That Look Like This: shall be created". and so it is created normally like how a house would be if a praetor sponsors it.

advance Legios I and II at the expense of Legio III

actually, the Sicily part was to help whichever legion which does not have any duties; which happen to be Legio III and IV. because when I asked navarro to implement the second phase, Legio II was already preoccupied in Illyria.

[mini]

He's the only character that can create a house, so he alone can start a civil war. And while any victim's of his may defend themselves, they can't initiate the attacks when he's leaving himself all alone fighting enemy kings and vulnerable. There needs to be some serious game reform to re-balance it or else it isn't fun and there's no sense in playing.

Well, if my ranking reforms go through, he'll be less ahead than he is now :)

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Mini, those are the things that we need. I hope you can get enough Duxi or higher to bring them about as charter ammendments. You'll have me to second each and every one of them.

[everyone]

I suppose right now there is nobody who could propose unlimited number of CA's/edicts.
I think if we propose and implement the rule change thing like LotR, anyone can propose unlimited number of CA's.
and this post is to remind everyone else that we really need a 'rule changing' system.

[mini]

Yes, it would make sense that a proposal like mine, encompassing such a big change to the game mechanic, should be able to be suggested by anyone. Since these kinds of things benefit all participants, it shouldn't be limited by rank or number.


Of course, CA which are only for the benefit of the group which supports it, which do not deal with the game mechanics, these should be limited of course by rank and number.


You can be sure that I will revise my earlier rank reforms once more in the beginning of next week (I got 3 days off so I have the time) and I will further fine tune them.
Then I will present the final design and will request authorization of navarro to propose the mechanic change, as this is his game.

For example we also need a system of quick-votes. There are certain IC things that we should be able to vote upon WITHIN the same turn. Of course this will be about smallish things (like cotta's triumph) only. And Voting will last 48hrs maxium for such issues.

Stuff like this are needed to keep the game dynamic.
The same thing about 'loopholes' in the rules. I think that if someone finds a LEGAL way to bend a rule, he should be let! This is the spirit of the historical roman ways, and creativity should be rewarded! This does NOT mean that rules are to be broken.

I'm just saying that if anyone finds a loophole, and can present his case with perfect legal logic, it should be allowed.


The problem is that the current rules are largely copied from LOTR, and are simply not translated to a roman republic government.

[Mooks]

Not everyone comes in here everyday though, just how long are these sudden voting sessions last?

O ya, and im back from my 1 day boycott of btsh. Next time you make me mad navarro, ill go on a hunger strike. Can your conscience handle that navarro? I didnt think so.

[mini]

These sudden votes will last 36-48 hrs.
As these votes need to be concluded before the next turn, we can't let them take any longer or the game becomes too slow.

But rest assured this will only concern small issues. Anything serious will still have to be voted in edicts during sessions.
But some things must be allowed to be decided in the spurr of the moment :)

[Mooks]

These sudden votes will last 36-48 hrs.
As these votes need to be concluded before the next turn, we can't let them take any longer or the game becomes too slow.

But rest assured this will only concern small issues. Anything serious will still have to be voted in edicts during sessions.
But some things must be allowed to be decided in the spurr of the moment :)

If you propose it ill vote for it.

[SwissBarbar]

check the curia mooks and go on a hunger strike

[Mooks]

check the curia mooks and go on a hunger strike

Ya....I forgot completely about that rule.

[mini]

TO NAVARRO:

I'll be off this weekend, so I'll have no acces to internet.

Should the congressional session start this weekend, could you be so kind as to extend it?
I've got 3 days off next week (monday-tuesday-wednesday) so I have the time to fully detail all my reforms and put them in this next session.


Seeing as many are pro my reforms, I do not want them being only half-work.
But I do not want to miss the session if it already starts this weekend.


I hope nobody disagrees on an extension :)

[everyone]

don't worry, congressional session starts around 24 hours from now, and probably lasts 3 days; you'll have the last day-and-a-half to propose your laws.

[everyone]

type toggle_fow in console, should to the trick

if nothign changes, type it again.

If that doesnt do the trick, i dont klnow

vista can't open console (yes the one with the ~ key), and I don't know how (I tried turning off the radio thing-whatever that is- as mentioned in one thread, and it doesn't work). and it would be much more convenient if somebody who takes the save turns it off rather than wait for me to look for a solution to my console-opening problem and turn it off.

[mini]

i got vista and i can open the console :)

for me it's the ² key (left above tab) or ù (which is for me on the second letter-line, second button from the right)

[everyone]

the what?
sorry, I think our keyboard layouts are different, mine follows qwerty layout, and tab is at the most left, so there's nothing topleft of tab and I don't have the ù key.

[mini]

haha

i got azerty ;P

my ² key = your ~ key (right under escape, right?)

my ù key = your ; key

[/Bean\]

TCM, its hardly my fault that I'm a higher rank than everyone else. You can't say the games going to get boring because I'm the highest ranking player. I have played entirely by the rules. I have over 20 battle points, which, with the game rules we started with, allows me to become a Praetor. I have not broken any rules to get thus far.

I am also really starting to get tired of people saying this Carthaginian event was set up to benefit me. How the hell has it done that? It was designed for Legio I to go to Gaul, and at the time TCV was in charge of that. He was not involved in the event planning at all. And the other part was Legio III or IV go to Sicily. Thats the more inactive players' legions who havent seen much action. The fact that you haven't gone to Sicily and you chose to stay in Epidamnos for ages is none of my fault is it? I was always in Greece, so how was it ever benefitting me?

I wasnt even involved in the planning. All I said was, I want an event. Everyone said he had an idea for one. Then he sent the idea to Navarro for implementation, and me because I asked what it would be. I took no part in its design whatsoever.

For your information, I want Mini's rank rules to pass. I like the idea of voted offices much more than rank rises. The highest any non-office Senator can be should be Dux, and then Consul or Praetor are elects. That balances things and makes it more interesting. But I am not going to simply say I am not going to fight any battles just because no one else is my rank. Thats stupid. I am sure you would have a similar argument in my position.

[everyone]

As far as I know, bean has played by the rules; and if Asina didn't die in battle, by now I would probably be the highest ranking near-emperor character. so it's all a matter of the time you've played and the opportunities that arises. such as in WotB, earlier on my character Hermokrates Parthikos didn't do a lot of things, he just went around with Sarpedon's Royal Army. because no opportunities appeared then.

and the only thing which bean is related to the event is by endorsing (e.g. saying "I support it") it before I sent it to navarro. so he wasn't part of the planning or whatnot.

so there, we shouldn't have OOC arguments about IC stuff like character ranks/events.

[navarro951]

Not everyone comes in here everyday though, just how long are these sudden voting sessions last?

O ya, and im back from my 1 day boycott of btsh. Next time you make me mad navarro, ill go on a hunger strike. Can your conscience handle that navarro? I didnt think so.

haha very well, just read the rules better.

TO NAVARRO:

I'll be off this weekend, so I'll have no acces to internet.

Should the congressional session start this weekend, could you be so kind as to extend it?
I've got 3 days off next week (monday-tuesday-wednesday) so I have the time to fully detail all my reforms and put them in this next session.


Seeing as many are pro my reforms, I do not want them being only half-work.
But I do not want to miss the session if it already starts this weekend.


I hope nobody disagrees on an extension :)

i plan on extending it anyway, i know there IS MUCH to talk about.