OOC Thread and Chatroom

[mini]

I'd like to add that, if my reforms go through, we will probably have to revise everyone's rank :)
After we have done that, we will have to hold new elections for offices and to draw the borders of the current provinces.

In the light of these, i noticed a lot of edicts going on in the curia.. most of these will have to be revised as wel.
Since my reforms will create an entire new balance and situation, most edicts will not even be applicable anymore unfortunately :)

[Tolg]

I like your ideas (8. as well), but perhaps we should vote on them during this congressional season and them implemented the changes only after this season/when the next congressional. seasons starts? (So that the current Edicts are still valid)

[Iskander 3.1]

Happy belated Ides of March everyone.

[SwissBarbar]

thank you friend. Sextus smiles at his friend from Legio II, a fake smile which didnt reach to his eyes.

What'cha lookin' at

[everyone]

I think the implementations of mini's new ranks thing should include the line "the ranks revised and the characters who have their ranks changed shall be implemented by the next congressional session".
which means after this session, the next 12 turns will proceed as normal, until before the next session, ranks are updated so that the new ranks take effect then; and not this one since this session has already seen many proposals.

[/Bean\]

Yeah, otherwise we'd have to start the 3 days Congressional session time again, to give everyonebody time to begin again.

[mini]

Well i'll leave this up to navarro :)

[navarro951]

I think the implementations of mini's new ranks thing should include the line "the ranks revised and the characters who have their ranks changed shall be implemented by the next congressional session".
which means after this session, the next 12 turns will proceed as normal, until before the next session, ranks are updated so that the new ranks take effect then; and not this one since this session has already seen many proposals.

yes of course. it will be implemented as of NEXT congressional council. but placed in game THIS congressional council.

[Iskander 3.1]

Just out of curiosity, when will debate be closed and voting begin?

[mini]

as soon as navarro has chewed his way though my reforms i guess ^^

[navarro951]

just finished reading them ill be proposing it later today.

also: there is still 3 hours to go...

Have finished my few changes, which were minor, for the most part the reforms were great. Will be proposed in a few.

[Potocello]

Hey guys! Just posting to let you know i'm still doing this. Looks like i will be able to post more since my week of work, research projects, and SAT testing is over. Thank god, it was a tough tough week. Anyway, looks like i missed a lot in my week absence. Just want to thank TCM and Mooks and anyone else who helped out with the Legio III in my absence, i am ready to resume command.

I'll check the Curia etc. to get myself up to date and hopefully start posting again.

[Potocello]

Oh goodness Cotta is now a Praetor?! ugh =(

EDIT: BTW those reforms look great. to anyone who helped

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Sorry for being absent since Friday night/Saturday morning. Looks like I've missed quite a bit.

Potocello: glad to have you back, I won us a victory in Italia; but the IVth Legion came back in action and killed the last rebel army before Mooks could fight it.

Mini: Wow.....awesome. Freaking A. Wow. I love the whole aspect of having the governorship positions giving good experience to levelling up. This will really balance the game, I believe. Can't wait to vote.

[everyone]

I like the legions and new concepts stuff. I don't really like the rank reform though, 15 CPs to escape Tribunus-ship, 40 CPs for Consulship (Assuming that the guy just goes straight for consulship, but 25 if he doesn't)? that's a bit much don't you think? it's like needing him to either serve as a ToP (which takes 2 sessions) or participate in 10 battles, and so far all of our legions have yet to face 10 battles under the same commander.
and with the Privatuus rank, how do you go to TM from there?

I don't think it's a case on whether the game's ranks are historically accurate, but whether if it's fun playing.
I'll send some suggestions to navarro.

[mini]

well.. the POINT is that it is 'illegal' to run straight for consulship :) You have to get elected praetor first.
Of course I understand that people may want to bypass this in-game despite the historical accuracy of it. Which is why I implemented the way I did. Now you can run straight to consul IF you prove yourself over a length of time to the people of Rome that you are worthy of the office. Becoming consul without being a praetor was unheard of until the civil war with Sulla. The son of Gauius Marius was the first one ever to have been elected consul without having had another office previously. That was alrdy like what, 80-70BC? :)
Atleast I made it possible, but you can't expect me to give a free pass to people wishing to take this route.
Besides, what's 40CP?
If you idle in city for 4 sessions, you can do it already

And Everyone: you can request as a privatuus to be designated to a legion. When the consul then says: you can go to legio xx, you gain the TM rank.
Same thing for become a quaestor: you don't have to DO anything :) just wait until (or nag against him until he does) the CoF designates you to govern a city OR until you can get a provincial governor to request you :)

Granted: at the moment it takes a long time from quaestor to gain enough CP for praetorship.
But this is sort of the point. You can't expect to play roman offices and then that you can dash through the ranks on speedboat speed. If you have 'connections' enough (read: connected to powerful house), you can get yourself quaestored to a decent size city. This will give you 12 CP per session for governign that city.
If you do 1 battle and govern for 2 session, you are praetor-eligible.
I really do not think that that is slow.


Navarro: I forgot to include a few things:
if your city 'grows' in size under your management, you get 1 CP bonus at the end of your term.
If you are candidate for an office, you must announce this in the congressional session. ( "I hebery declare myself a candidate for the election of <office x>" in the curia should do it)

[everyone]

Besides, what's 40CP?
If you idle in city for 4 sessions, you can do it already

4 sessions is rather long, no we're only at our 5th session, and already around 3 months have passed; I wouldn't want to wait 2 months just to become someone important, save a month if I want to command a legion and get in action.
honestly, I don't think historical accuracy should be placed as a priority here. which is more important? being able to play the game with as many opportunities as possible by relaxing historical accuracy or needing to register for the game, wait 1 month, get into some action for 1 week, and by the time 4 sessions passed; things changed, etc.

and it also poses the problem of needing to wait a long time before anything could happen from now. for you see, I doubt Cotta could even run for Consulship by the next session regardless if this session's edicts against him passes. even so, there would only be 1 consul, and it wouldn't be good RP-wise, since guys from Legio III, Regulus and a few others don't like him.

This may be true real life; you start out in politics at say 25, then you stay as a minor position for a decade or so, then rise to a position of some importance and after another 10 years you go to a really high position. or not at all.

but apply that in a game where there is constant RP-ing and things are changing; wouldn't that be boring?

a person joins this game; he pesters the CoL to make him a Tribunus Militum. after a week, he gets the position. then 3 weeks later, his commander fights enough battles to get him the 15CPs, then he becomes a Legatus. so far a month has passed, and in that month, some important guy probably died, another important but unpopular guy gets voted in; half of the senators are attempting to impeach him and the ToPs have just been voted in, and the new player during his time as a Privatuus or a TM couldn't even do anything but say a few lines in the Curia about what his character thinks.

I'm not trying to say that your rule changes are nonsense or anything, but the rank reqs are unreasonable. you may say it's not about ranks and it's about the RPing, but how do you RP stuff you have little or no influence and when you're stuck at a low rank for a month; other than posting stories like "Gaius Julius Nero, a young intelligent man, wanders in the forum, blah blah blah, elderly senators in the Curia arguing over nothing, they need change, blah blah blah, I shall become consul one day and lead them to do some really amazing stuff like transforming into howitzers"

to show that my levels of yellow bile is not increased by such a discussion, I shall post a few emoticons

[mini]

4 sessions is rather long, no we're only at our 5th session, and already around 3 months have passed; I wouldn't want to wait 2 months just to become someone important, save a month if I want to command a legion and get in action.
honestly, I don't think historical accuracy should be placed as a priority here. which is more important? being able to play the game with as many opportunities as possible by relaxing historical accuracy or needing to register for the game, wait 1 month, get into some action for 1 week, and by the time 4 sessions passed; things changed, etc.

It's 4 sessions for the TOP position. If you do things the PROPER way, you get to be praetor in 2 sessions, after which you can become consul anyway

and it also poses the problem of needing to wait a long time before anything could happen from now. for you see, I doubt Cotta could even run for Consulship by the next session regardless if this session's edicts against him passes. even so, there would only be 1 consul, and it wouldn't be good RP-wise, since guys from Legio III, Regulus and a few others don't like him.

Navarry will translate the current battle points and ranks into the new system according to his vision.



a person joins this game; he pesters the CoL to make him a Tribunus Militum. after a week, he gets the position. then 3 weeks later, his commander fights enough battles to get him the 15CPs, then he becomes a Legatus. so far a month has passed, and in that month, some important guy probably died, another important but unpopular guy gets voted in; half of the senators are attempting to impeach him and the ToPs have just been voted in, and the new player during his time as a Privatuus or a TM couldn't even do anything but say a few lines in the Curia about what his character thinks.

He can also govern a city for 1 session, earning him 6 or 12 CP's + eventual CP if he is in a province and called upon to fight by the governor. Which means that he can reach praetor in 2 sessions. The military way is indeed the hardest way. But we need more men governing cities than we do need commanders at this point.

I'm not trying to say that your rule changes are nonsense or anything, but the rank reqs are unreasonable. you may say it's not about ranks and it's about the RPing, but how do you RP stuff you have little or no influence and when you're stuck at a low rank for a month;

Again: you're too focused on the level of ranks. It doesnt matter a fig if you're low ranked? You can govern your own city, can you not? You can participate in battles, can you not?
You gave an example of a new guy that joins, i'll give u one too:
Nero joins. He requests the CoF to give him a city. The newly elected COF is handing out jobs and gives nero Arretium in return for his loyalty. Nero governs that city for 2 sessions, building up connections.
He now has enough CP so he goes for praetor. the former CoF who gave him his job 2 sessions ago, uses his connections to get Nero elected.
After his term, Nero choses a province near gaul. He takes some screenshots from an army near the border, or it happens that the AI is havign a war the the averni-adui. So nero says: hey, the averni are our friends. Senate, I need to step in here.
Again connection are used and a casus belli is voted. Nero marches in with his legions and captures a region or 2 for the house he's connected to.

Now that sounds good to me. Granted, you have to play a while before you get to the fun part.
But if you want fast access to ALL the goodies.. why don't we dispense with ranks entirely then, and just have 2 consuls elected who get to decide who does what for their term?
This would fit what you're asking, but i'd bail out because it's unroman :)

[everyone]

fair enough; I did not think that one could go straight to Quaestorship from Privatuus. I assumed he had to complete the TM training stage beforehand (because I probably misread, or I had estimated the time needed wrongly and such. I apologise). so that completely obstructed me from thinking of a "governor's path" straight from the start.
I still have another question though; how many positions of Praetors and ToPs (or any other office ranks, besides Consul) are there supposed to be? I doubt it's only 1 position.

for your changes to the game

[SwissBarbar]

Actually I'm involved in the game for 5 seasons now and didn't fight one single battle yet. Therefore our fellow newcomers should not be too sad about not being allowed to fight for 2 seasons or so. Thus the Law-Reforms are ok to me.

[navarro951]

Actually I'm involved in the game for 5 seasons now and didn't fight one single battle yet. Therefore our fellow newcomers should not be too sad about not being allowed to fight for 2 seasons or so. Thus the Law-Reforms are ok to me.

an attitude i wish all players had... for u.

[SwissBarbar]

Thanks

[mini]

fair enough; I did not think that one could go straight to Quaestorship from Privatuus. I assumed he had to complete the TM training stage beforehand (because I probably misread, or I had estimated the time needed wrongly and such. I apologise). so that completely obstructed me from thinking of a "governor's path" straight from the start.
I still have another question though; how many positions of Praetors and ToPs (or any other office ranks, besides Consul) are there supposed to be? I doubt it's only 1 position.

for your changes to the game

Considering we have a small empire yet (thus no many prinvices beside the pomerium)

1 praetor
1 or 2 ToP


The beauty of these ranks, is that we can increase or decrease the number of praetors/ToP according to the amount of provinces and playerbase :)

[Iskander 3.1]

I'm with Swiss Barber here. (even if we don't agree IC!)

[/Bean\]

You just want a balloon Iskander .

We can always do a trial session, and if the CP's are taking too long to get we can re-reform, since any ToP can propose them out of session now.

May I ask what ranks are going to who, as in converting from old ranks to new ranks?

[SwissBarbar]

You know, just because you are not in my Legion , you don't implicitly have to disagree with me in the curia

But IC and OOC are completly separated from each other, at least to me.



1 tiny point. I'm SwissBarbAr , not a Barber. But almost everyone here made this mistake at least once.

[Iskander 3.1]

Hey, who doesn't want a balloon?

Sorry SwissBarbar. Every time I see your name I think of someone yodelling while giving a haircut. And don't worry, I never confuse IC with OOC. We're all friends in this sub-forum.

(And who knows, S.C. Scapulla may have need of new friends IC since things are going to get interesting with his comrades in Legio I...we'll see who he decides to turn to)

[SwissBarbar]

Every time I see your name I think of someone yodelling while giving a haircut.

I can't get that picture out of my head, heeelp

[everyone]

1 tiny point. I'm SwissBarbAr , not a Barber. But almost everyone here made this mistake at least once.

nope, I have yet to make that mistake.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

As am I yet to make that mistake, though the mistake I make constantly is in calling you SwissBabar - like the French Elephant.