OOC Thread and Chatroom

[navarro951]

just finished reading them ill be proposing it later today.

also: there is still 3 hours to go...

Have finished my few changes, which were minor, for the most part the reforms were great. Will be proposed in a few.

[Potocello]

Hey guys! Just posting to let you know i'm still doing this. Looks like i will be able to post more since my week of work, research projects, and SAT testing is over. Thank god, it was a tough tough week. Anyway, looks like i missed a lot in my week absence. Just want to thank TCM and Mooks and anyone else who helped out with the Legio III in my absence, i am ready to resume command.

I'll check the Curia etc. to get myself up to date and hopefully start posting again.

[Potocello]

Oh goodness Cotta is now a Praetor?! ugh =(

EDIT: BTW those reforms look great. to anyone who helped

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Sorry for being absent since Friday night/Saturday morning. Looks like I've missed quite a bit.

Potocello: glad to have you back, I won us a victory in Italia; but the IVth Legion came back in action and killed the last rebel army before Mooks could fight it.

Mini: Wow.....awesome. Freaking A. Wow. I love the whole aspect of having the governorship positions giving good experience to levelling up. This will really balance the game, I believe. Can't wait to vote.

[everyone]

I like the legions and new concepts stuff. I don't really like the rank reform though, 15 CPs to escape Tribunus-ship, 40 CPs for Consulship (Assuming that the guy just goes straight for consulship, but 25 if he doesn't)? that's a bit much don't you think? it's like needing him to either serve as a ToP (which takes 2 sessions) or participate in 10 battles, and so far all of our legions have yet to face 10 battles under the same commander.
and with the Privatuus rank, how do you go to TM from there?

I don't think it's a case on whether the game's ranks are historically accurate, but whether if it's fun playing.
I'll send some suggestions to navarro.

[mini]

well.. the POINT is that it is 'illegal' to run straight for consulship :) You have to get elected praetor first.
Of course I understand that people may want to bypass this in-game despite the historical accuracy of it. Which is why I implemented the way I did. Now you can run straight to consul IF you prove yourself over a length of time to the people of Rome that you are worthy of the office. Becoming consul without being a praetor was unheard of until the civil war with Sulla. The son of Gauius Marius was the first one ever to have been elected consul without having had another office previously. That was alrdy like what, 80-70BC? :)
Atleast I made it possible, but you can't expect me to give a free pass to people wishing to take this route.
Besides, what's 40CP?
If you idle in city for 4 sessions, you can do it already

And Everyone: you can request as a privatuus to be designated to a legion. When the consul then says: you can go to legio xx, you gain the TM rank.
Same thing for become a quaestor: you don't have to DO anything :) just wait until (or nag against him until he does) the CoF designates you to govern a city OR until you can get a provincial governor to request you :)

Granted: at the moment it takes a long time from quaestor to gain enough CP for praetorship.
But this is sort of the point. You can't expect to play roman offices and then that you can dash through the ranks on speedboat speed. If you have 'connections' enough (read: connected to powerful house), you can get yourself quaestored to a decent size city. This will give you 12 CP per session for governign that city.
If you do 1 battle and govern for 2 session, you are praetor-eligible.
I really do not think that that is slow.


Navarro: I forgot to include a few things:
if your city 'grows' in size under your management, you get 1 CP bonus at the end of your term.
If you are candidate for an office, you must announce this in the congressional session. ( "I hebery declare myself a candidate for the election of <office x>" in the curia should do it)

[everyone]

Besides, what's 40CP?
If you idle in city for 4 sessions, you can do it already

4 sessions is rather long, no we're only at our 5th session, and already around 3 months have passed; I wouldn't want to wait 2 months just to become someone important, save a month if I want to command a legion and get in action.
honestly, I don't think historical accuracy should be placed as a priority here. which is more important? being able to play the game with as many opportunities as possible by relaxing historical accuracy or needing to register for the game, wait 1 month, get into some action for 1 week, and by the time 4 sessions passed; things changed, etc.

and it also poses the problem of needing to wait a long time before anything could happen from now. for you see, I doubt Cotta could even run for Consulship by the next session regardless if this session's edicts against him passes. even so, there would only be 1 consul, and it wouldn't be good RP-wise, since guys from Legio III, Regulus and a few others don't like him.

This may be true real life; you start out in politics at say 25, then you stay as a minor position for a decade or so, then rise to a position of some importance and after another 10 years you go to a really high position. or not at all.

but apply that in a game where there is constant RP-ing and things are changing; wouldn't that be boring?

a person joins this game; he pesters the CoL to make him a Tribunus Militum. after a week, he gets the position. then 3 weeks later, his commander fights enough battles to get him the 15CPs, then he becomes a Legatus. so far a month has passed, and in that month, some important guy probably died, another important but unpopular guy gets voted in; half of the senators are attempting to impeach him and the ToPs have just been voted in, and the new player during his time as a Privatuus or a TM couldn't even do anything but say a few lines in the Curia about what his character thinks.

I'm not trying to say that your rule changes are nonsense or anything, but the rank reqs are unreasonable. you may say it's not about ranks and it's about the RPing, but how do you RP stuff you have little or no influence and when you're stuck at a low rank for a month; other than posting stories like "Gaius Julius Nero, a young intelligent man, wanders in the forum, blah blah blah, elderly senators in the Curia arguing over nothing, they need change, blah blah blah, I shall become consul one day and lead them to do some really amazing stuff like transforming into howitzers"

to show that my levels of yellow bile is not increased by such a discussion, I shall post a few emoticons