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[mini]

I know it's a bit complex when you look at it.

But once we start working with it, the mechanics will become much much clearer to everybody.
It's basically a simple mechanic, it just looks complicated :)

[everyone]

let me summarise to get the idea more clearly:

-there is a list of provinces which are limited to a specific area. (e.g. we define some area as "Cisalpine Gaul", but do not specify which regions go into it; just that something like "Cisalpine Gaul should consist of the area north of the Pomerium and south of the alps")
-provinces are defined by the player who gets to be the governor of the said province and the players, who vote whether he gets the region into his province. (sounds like this needs a lot of voting, and that would complicate things and cluttering up the legislation voting thread)
-houses need not define which region they hail from, all houses have their HQs in Rome. (because governorships last only for the session unless reelected)
-the governor takes control of all troops/legions inside the province that are not under the control of another player (everything except stuff like other's personal legions, consular legions, standard legions). he may assign who commands or governs what within his province as he sees fit.

that's all I could see, sounds reasonable.
but during times of Civil war, I think the involved houses/players should retain their territory; because they are probably against the senate/backed by the senate to defend their province from the rebels; and also it would be odd considering that the theatre of the civil war moves from Greece to somewhere like Africa after a session; or the civil war goes into a stalemate when the houses gain different territories after a session.

and with the decrease of the size of provincial legions as per your legion reforms, I think we could have more regions/provinces.
but how 'provincial legion' is defined is rather unclear, don't you think? according to mini, it's "an army that is stationed at a region" (or something like that). according to the rules it's "a legion that serves a province (which is a set of regions) in defending it from enemies"

[mini]

let me summarise to get the idea more clearly:

-there is a list of provinces which are limited to a specific area. (e.g. we define some area as "Cisalpine Gaul", but do not specify which regions go into it; just that something like "Cisalpine Gaul should consist of the area north of the Pomerium and south of the alps")
No. We clearly define the province. For example: Gallica italia = total territory of : Bononia+patavium+mediolanum+Genoa. This way, the province get's outlined according to the ingame borders of each city. So the 'province' is the total sum of the territories of all cities which make up the province. Which cities these are, are to be debated in the senate when the province ism ade.
-provinces are defined by the player who gets to be the governor of the said province and the players, who vote whether he gets the region into his province. (sounds like this needs a lot of voting, and that would complicate things and cluttering up the legislation voting thread)
No, provinces will be decided now in the next session. IF we expand, the conquered settlement will be added to the province of the conquering provincial governor.
Only if players think a certain province is becoming to big, they can start a vote in the senate to split 1 big province into 2 smaller ones.
For example: Quintus is governor of province Graeca Italia. (sparta, corinthe)
He then captures Athens. Athens will become part of Graeca Italica. BUT: if he conquers 3 more cities, other players might think he becomes too powerful, and want to split all the new cities into a new province, thus no longer part of quintus province.
-houses need not define which region they hail from, all houses have their HQs in Rome. (because governorships last only for the session unless reelected)
correct
-the governor takes control of all troops/legions inside the province that are not under the control of another player (everything except stuff like other's personal legions, consular legions, standard legions). he may assign who commands or governs what within his province as he sees fit.
All except the CoL can only command 1 legion in person.

that's all I could see, sounds reasonable.
but during times of Civil war, I think the involved houses/players should retain their territory; because they are probably against the senate/backed by the senate to defend their province from the rebels; and also it would be odd considering that the theatre of the civil war moves from Greece to somewhere like Africa after a session; or the civil war goes into a stalemate when the houses gain different territories after a session.
In case of Civil War, people declare which side they are on and all recruiting stops. Every single person who controls a legion at that time, can do as he like. Recruitment will halt, and so will elections.
Basically everythign halts until the civil war is solved.

and with the decrease of the size of provincial legions as per your legion reforms, I think we could have more regions/provinces.
I never said how many provinces we should have? I think it would be wise to look at the geography when making a province. I think with our current territory, we can have 4-6 provinces right away.
but how 'provincial legion' is defined is rather unclear, don't you think? according to mini, it's "an army that is stationed at a region" (or something like that). according to the rules it's "a legion that serves a province (which is a set of regions) in defending it from enemies"
When the Senate 'creates' a province, they must include how many legions will be available to defend this province. So this number will be fixed, until someone makes an edict to add/detract a legion.
For example: the next session, the senate creates Gallia italica (descibed as above). We award this province 1 legion.
So, until someone in a next session proposes a change, Gallica Italica will have 1 legion stationed there permenantly.

Governors leave everythign behind in their province after their term. if they have to govern another place, they will not take their legion with them. The legion is bound to it's designated province

See remarks in quote.

[everyone]

oh crap. I just lost what I was thinking.

seriously, I do not understand how a province is defined at all.
is it that a series of regions under our control at the session is defined as a province.
e.g. bononia, Segesta, Patavium is declared "Cisalpine Gaul"
then whoever becomes governor would have that.
within that guy's (let's call him Decimus) province, he has those 3 cities as defined.
during his term, the Aedui declare war. then Decimus is allowed by the senate to attack the Aedui and kick them out of Mediolanum.
the following session, the senate decides Mediolanum would be part of Cisalpine Gaul.
then Decimus becomes governor of Cisalpine Gaul again. just that this time, he has another city under his control.
ok never mind about my first two sentences. I just figured it out. correct me if I'm wrong

[mini]

Yes exactly :)

i'll take a look at the save game tonight, and I'll propose a few provinces.

Maybe then it becomes a bit clearer to all players, and they can react and propose changes etc.

[everyone]

hmmm...I'm wondering so how are personal legions going to fit into all of this province definition and such. keep in mind that it (personal legions/provincial legions) isn't defined properly in your rule changes yet; so I'm still assuming that the current version's definition is imposed; and it conflicts.

[mini]

Yeah well, I haven't really looked at the house aspect of legions much.

I don't really see the need for them anyway, outside of civil war.
I was thinking houses should be more like political factions, gathering a bunch of politicians of the same vision.
Gathered to do themselves favours and to be able to control elections and proceedings politically.


I never saw houses as military institutions

[navarro951]

I have returned gents, gimme a bit too get caught up and ill end the save and start updating things.

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