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[mini]

"for a leave"

Which is what certain people (I'm definetely not alone in this) would want to see changed into : disbanded and renewed.


And Navarro: we look at it this way: the legion was send home, it was AFTER that, that the epeiros invasion begun.
If you promise troops a discharge, then hold them in a city which is not their home (Tarentum is IC not their home) and then tell them they have to back to the front... That's askign for a mutiny.

There is NOBODY saying the timing is perfect, nor even good.
But we should find another solution for it, because now we're taking the easy way out.

Let's leave the AI some advantages, please.
Otherwise if we keep this up, we're going to steamroll the map.
Money enough, legions enough and an AI unable to catch us offguard.

If that's the game this is going to be, I'll bail out now and hope that the lotr follow up is any good.

[SwissBarbar]

Don't worry, my character is such a great speaker (according to his traits), that he could convince a state of ants march into the trunk of an anteater.

With a great speech he could persuade the men of the necessity to go back to Epeiros. Since they earn more money in the Legion than at home they willingly followed the commander, aside whom they had fought many victorious battles, knowing that they would be recognised as heroes back home.

[navarro951]

"for a leave"

Which is what certain people (I'm definetely not alone in this) would want to see changed into : disbanded and renewed.


And Navarro: we look at it this way: the legion was send home, it was AFTER that, that the epeiros invasion begun.
If you promise troops a discharge, then hold them in a city which is not their home (Tarentum is IC not their home) and then tell them they have to back to the front... That's askign for a mutiny.

There is NOBODY saying the timing is perfect, nor even good.
But we should find another solution for it, because now we're taking the easy way out.

Let's leave the AI some advantages, please.
Otherwise if we keep this up, we're going to steamroll the map.
Money enough, legions enough and an AI unable to catch us offguard.

If that's the game this is going to be, I'll bail out now and hope that the lotr follow up is any good.

psst Bologna! First of all, no more of this "there not in their home" crap. Who is any one here to say that ALL of those troops are only from Rome. In fact, cept for the triarii, most of them arent. The CoF does a pretty good job of utilizing every city for unit recruitment. Second, until a front is truly closed (epeiros is wiped out/ ceasefire is made) no order for them to be disbanded was given. The rule, nor orders, were given to discharge the men, only to give them a time of leave. They have now had 9 months of sitting around. They get a full year after this turn, and possibly more if there just sitting in illyria defending.

Here is how it will play it out, after either a ceasefire or an annexation is made with Epeiros, then I will allow the decommissioning of Legio II, along with Legio I once Sicilia is taken.

[mini]

psst Bologna! First of all, no more of this "there not in their home" crap. Who is any one here to say that ALL of those troops are only from Rome. In fact, cept for the triarii, most of them arent. The CoF does a pretty good job of utilizing every city for unit recruitment. Second, until a front is truly closed (epeiros is wiped out/ ceasefire is made) no order for them to be disbanded was given. The rule, nor orders, were given to discharge the men, only to give them a time of leave. They have now had 9 months of sitting around. They get a full year after this turn, and possibly more if there just sitting in illyria defending.

Here is how it will play it out, after either a ceasefire or an annexation is made with Epeiros, then I will allow the decommissioning of Legio II, along with Legio I once Sicilia is taken.

I am not saying you gave the order to disband, you already clarified that.

I am also not saying that Legio II shouldnt be send back now.


All that I am saying, is that from the next session onward, the 2 rules I posted in the curia, should be taken into account.

So that in the future, when difficulties like this arise, it will be clear what to do.

for example:

somewhere during session 1 we create Legio A.
Is it in the first half of 6 turns between session 1 and 2, this year will count, otherwise we start counting from session 2. (for the example, lets take turn 3 after the first session was concluded.)

This would mean that:
session 1: decision to create
inbetween session 1 & 2 we create
session 2: legion A now served 1 session
Session 3: Legion now served 2 sessions
Session 4: Legion now served 3 sessions and should be disbanded when save turn if frozen for congressional session 4


This means that Legio A should during the 4th congressional session be disbanded.
During congressional session 4 we can (and should) commission the legion A to be reformed.

After 4th session is closed, we can create the new units for Legion A, and the cyclus repeats:
session 4: created
inbetween 4 and 5 we create
session 5: 1st served
session 6: second served
session 7: 3rd served and disbanded when session 7 starts voting again.


Only thing you need to do is:
1) keep track of the last session of the legion (easily done in library)
2) the old CoF will have to check and disband any legion whose 3 terms are over
3) the newly elected CoF must create the new units for the legion


It really isnt complicated.
For the current situation, these rules aren't in effect, as the situation i described above will be osmething voted in the next session and therefore doesnt apply right now :)

[everyone]

what is the point of all this bickering mini? just because we can get some 'historical accuracy'? or because we can give the AI a chance?

nonsense!

even the other mega PBMs don't do that; if we are to stick with historical accuracy, this game would get boring; if we keep changing our legions and stuff, it would also get boring from the amount of marching around and move_character-ing we have to do, and keeping track of every legion's progress.
you may counter this argument by making an exaggerated statement like "then we might as well let everybody be consuls" or "well let's just create a hundred legions and steamroll everything". but that's also absurd. there needs to be balance between historical accuracy and making the game playable, without making it too slow or fast; and that should in the end be decided by the GM, for navarro's probably the one who knows what this game should be.

and it's the CoL who does disbanding and such, not the CoF.

[mini]

what is the point of all this bickering mini? just because we can get some 'historical accuracy'? or because we can give the AI a chance?

nonsense!

even the other mega PBMs don't do that; if we are to stick with historical accuracy, this game would get boring; if we keep changing our legions and stuff, it would also get boring from the amount of marching around and move_character-ing we have to do, and keeping track of every legion's progress.
you may counter this argument by making an exaggerated statement like "then we might as well let everybody be consuls" or "well let's just create a hundred legions and steamroll everything". but that's also absurd. there needs to be balance between historical accuracy and making the game playable, without making it too slow or fast; and that should in the end be decided by the GM, for navarro's probably the one who knows what this game should be.

and it's the CoL who does disbanding and such, not the CoF.

Wow, why direct this to me? I'm not the only one askign for those 2 rules....
Just because I voiced them and now defend them doesn't mean this is my issue alone.

all this marching? Consider we will have provincial legions soon, and it won't be much longer until troops can be recruited in those provinces. So there will be not a lot of marching.
In fact, I even said they can be disbanded in any region that is roman territory.
Shipping the new legion is an logistical challenge, which will keep our expansion in check.
What's the use in conquering across the Hellespont if we can't even recruit units in greece?
That must be prevented..

Keeping track of legions? WOW, HUUUUGE EFFORT..
Upon creation: mention in the library or campus martius: Legion I -created sessions x-

At every freeze of save game, one of the consuls needs to check this, and act accordingly..
hohoho... huge effort and VERY complicated indeed...


And again, these rules are not for realism.
And they will not make the game too slow. Besides, with the current playerbase, we can't grow too big anyway.

[everyone]

I'll not hurl some manure back at you for now.
until those terms are properly defined in the FAQ/rules. because all these concepts are still very vague. we're half stuck between the old rules and the new rules.

[mini]

well, keep in mind these 2 rules are only PROPOSALS..
They'll go into the next session and you can vote against if you don't agree...

It's not like I am demanding these rules to be implemented, nor followed as of now :)