What, you think Labour is on the right?Originally Posted by CountArach
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What, you think Labour is on the right?
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Britain's Labour party is definitely more right than left.What, you think Labour is on the right?
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Oh dear...
Big government=left. Tax and spend=left. High taxes=left. Lunatic fiscal policies=left. State intrusion into personal life=left. Papers pleese!=left. Politicisation of the police=left.
...and of course the nationalisation of the banks=left.
New Labour isn't remotely right wing, they are crypto-Stalinists who know what's best for you. To this end they will seek to control every aspect of your life, for your own good of course. Anyone who resists are at the best ungrateful buggers for wanting to spend their money the way they see fit. At the worst they are right wing, knee jerk, daily mail readers who obviously need a pre-frontal labotomy so that they may learn to think in the right way. Try reading the comments section in the Gruniad if you want a good laugh. I used to think the left were just deluded and misguided, now I think they're downright dangerous.
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There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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Errr... you mean like legalised marijuana? Gay civil unions? Greater abortion rights?
These are all left-wing causes that remove the government from the private life of its citizens.
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Time to play an appropriate song...
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Evidence that the oft-used left - right wing description is not adequate.
You are referring to policies that don't really have a left - right leaning, but a place on the authoritarian - freedom access, which is unrelated to left - right.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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So you are restricting the argument solely to economic theories? Alright then, here are some things that New Labour have done from Blair and Gordon's administrations that are clearly right-wing:Evidence that the oft-used left - right wing description is not adequate.
You are referring to policies that don't really have a left - right leaning, but a place on the authoritarian - freedom access, which is unrelated to left - right.
1) Reserve Bank independence.
2) Increased fees to enter university
3) Welfare-to-work
4) Various privatisation programs (Including most recently talk of the postal service...)
Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
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You're preaching to the choir! I think that Nu-Labour and especially Brown is right leaning authoritarian.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
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A huge intrusive government costs a lot of money, has to come from somewhere.
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I struggle to believe that these characteristics are found only in governments of the left. I'm fairly sure right wing governments have had all of those. Hell, even the Tories managed a fair few and it seems that even right wing governments decided to bail out their banks.
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Struggle away then.
I consider myself a libertarian.
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Not a left wing mindset is it?
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
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Doesn't quite a bit of that pretty well describe what the Bush regime has been up to for the past eight or so years, Stateside ?
Pretty sure this is the first time I see Bible-thumbing pinko-Republicans classified as politically "left"...
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Not exactly politically left, but I can't call them that faithful to the right either...
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Oh, it's very faithful to the Right all right. Or are you forgetting what exactly lies at the extreme end of that side of the Left-Right divide ?
Seems to me like someone's trying to make up some pretty tendentious political definitions here, ones that have little or nothing to do with the reality of the life political and the really existing ideologies and movements, and quite a bit with rhetorical and moral convenience...
"Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."
-Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
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You are forgetting that EMFM believes that Hitler was left
Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
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Godwin.
What exactly are you trying to say? That something is faithful to right-wing ideology because the Nazis did it? Naturally the same must apply to the left for Stalinists then, no?
Someone evidently has forgotten to tell me that I believe that. Where have I ever said that Hitler was left?
Last edited by Evil_Maniac From Mars; 12-30-2008 at 22:31.
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Let's just say that I struggle to believe that the UK has room for both the Conservatives and Labour.What, you think Labour is on the right?
Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
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