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    Default Virginity Pledges are NOT effective (yes I know the sky is blue)

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/12/30...ges/index.html

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    Virginity pledges don't mean much, study says

    By Theresa Tamkins

    As many as one in eight teens in the United States may take a virginity pledge at some point, vowing to wait until they're married before having sex. But do such pledges work? Are pledge takers more likely than other teens to delay sexual activity?

    A new study suggests that the answer is no. While teens who take virginity pledges do delay sexual activity until an average age of 21 (compared to about age 17 for the average American teen), the reason for the delay is more likely due to pledge takers' religious background and conservative views -- not the pledge itself.

    According to a study published Monday in the journal Pediatrics, pledge takers are as likely to have sex before marriage as other teens who are also religious, but don't take the pledge. However, pledge takers are less likely than other religious or conservative teens to use condoms or birth control when they do start having sex.

    In the new study, Janet Rosenbaum, Ph.D., of Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, analyzed the large chunk of data used in all the studies that have looked at virginity pledges: the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. In this survey, middle and high school students were asked about their sexual behaviors and opinions starting in 1995-96.

    In the analysis, Rosenbaum compared 289 young adults who took virginity pledges in their teens with 645 young people who did not take such a pledge. The researcher was careful to only compare teens who had similar views on religion, birth control and sex in general, regardless of whether or not they took a pledge. Health.com: What should I do if the condom breaks?

    Five years after the initial survey the study subjects were aged 20 to 23. Eighty-two percent of pledge takers denied (or forgot) they had ever taken such a vow. Overall pledge takers were no different from non-pledge takers in terms of their premarital sex, anal and oral sexual practices, and their probability of having a sexually transmitted disease.

    Both groups lost their virginity at an average age of 21, had about three lifetime partners, and had similar rates of STDs. "And the majority were having premarital sex, over 50 percent," says Rosenbaum. Overall, roughly 75 percent of pledgers and non-pledgers were sexually active, and about one in five was married. Health.com: Who's most at risk for STDs?

    Unmarried pledgers, however, were less likely than non-pledgers to use birth control (64 percent of pledge takers and 70 percent of non-pledge takers said they used it most of the time) or condoms (42 percent of pledge takers and 54 percent of non-pledge takers said they used them most of the time).

    "There's been some speculation about whether teenagers were substituting oral or anal sex for vaginal sex and I found that wasn't so," says Rosenbaum. "But I did uphold a previous finding that they are less likely to use birth control and drastically less likely in fact to use condoms -- it's a ten percentage point difference."

    Rosenbaum is concerned that abstinence-only sex education programs that promote virginity pledges may also promote a negative view of condoms and birth control. The result may be teens and young adults who are less likely than their peers to protect themselves from sexually transmitted diseases and unplanned pregnancies. Health.com: Sex and teens: Test your knowledge

    Federal funds for abstinence only education programs have increased from $73 million in 2001 to $204 million in 2008. About 25 states apply for such funds each year to educate teens, says Rosenbaum. Sometimes programs are measured by how many teens take virginity pledges, not whether the teens stick to them, avoid sexually transmitted diseases or unplanned pregnancies, says Rosenbaum.

    "Studies find that kids in abstinence-only programs have negative, biased views about whether condoms work," she says. Since such programs promote abstinence only they tend to give only the disadvantages of birth control, she says. Teens learn condoms don't protect you completely from human papillomavirus (HPV) and herpes, which is true, but they may not realize that they protect against all the "fluid-based STDs," she says. "People end up thinking you may as well not bother using birth control or condoms."

    Virginity pledges, along with a six-hour curriculum, were first introduced in 1993 by an evangelical Christian group, and a 1995 survey suggested that 13 percent of teens had taken such a pledge (current survey data are lacking, says Rosenbaum.)

    "Virginity pledgers are very different than most U.S. teens -- they are obviously more conservative, they have more negative views about sexuality and birth control and so, even if they didn't take a pledge, these would be teenagers who would be very likely to abstain anyhow," says Rosenbaum. About 40 percent of the study subjects were born-again Christians, she notes.

    The new study does not suggest that virginity pledges are harmful, says Andrew Goldstein, M.D., an obstetrician and gynecologist at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, because they were not associated with an increase in STDs or unplanned pregnancies. However, they do seem to be "useless," says Goldstein, who was not involved in the study.

    Promoting the pledges gives a "false sense of security and energy could be better spent in education," he says. "It is time to stop spending money on these useless programs and funnel it into safer-sex counseling." Health.com: Six things your teen needs to know about sex

    When it comes to advice for the parents of teens, Rosenbaum notes that just about every organization, from Focus on the Family to Planned Parenthood, offers a similar message.

    "Parents should talk to their kids about their sex. It should not be single conversation, it should be a continued conversation at the moments that are teachable moments," she says. "Parents tend to hope that schools will take care of it -- they can't, obviously."


    Is anyone really surprised by this? I like the part of the article that says most teens have either forgotten about their pledge or simply ignored it. Without going into too much detail, that's pretty much what happened to me . I think I took one in 7th grade or so at my old catholic church. It didn't do anything when the time came because I didn't even remember I took it! (even if I had, it wouldn't have been effective)

    I also had a friend who had bible thumping parents. He honestly didn't know that a latex condom was effective in combating STDs. I wanted to cry when he told me this.
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    Default Re: Virginity Pledges are NOT effective (yes I know the sky is blue)

    The only person to whom you may promise such a thing is yourself. Many of us find ways --often quite creatively -- to lie to ourselves on a regular basis. So no, I am not surprised.
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    What I am really surprised about is that it took em on average 21 years to get laid!

    There is only one way to ensure abstinence....


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    Quote Originally Posted by rasoforos View Post
    What I am really surprised about is that it took em on average 21 years to get laid!

    There is only one way to ensure abstinence....


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    Of course it depends what you mean by effective. It seems to me you could argue that they are effective because they delay intercourse by four years on average.

    Of course they authors of the study ascribe this to the person's religious belief and not the actual pledge and in doing this they hit at the problem with these pledges. There are lots of things that Christians* are supposed to refrain from. It is a bit odd to make a pledge to refrain from just one of them and as Frenchy sings "There are worse things I could do." How about pledges to refrain from violence, greed, indifference to the plight of others, pride?

    *I am sure that other religions have similar moral codes, but this discussion is in the context of Christianity.
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    So, a majority of people in the age-range of 15 - 25 have learned that any promises they make, or pledges they avow, can be cheerfully disregarded later on.

    Because the promise was coerced?
    Because nature's call trumps mere adolescent words?
    Because "That was then; this is now."?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rasoforos View Post
    There is only one way to ensure abstinence....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kush View Post
    I also had a friend who had bible thumping parents. He honestly didn't know that a latex condom was effective in combating STDs. I wanted to cry when he told me this.






    I'm Sorry, just thought it was funny. Sad, but funny. If a teen is going to have sex and/or masterbate, it's going to happen, if you like it or not.

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