Some joyous tidings from Israel

[Idaho]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7800985.stm

Seal the borders, allow limited aid and no trade and bomb them with F16s killing a few hundred. The respond with the usual crappy motar attacks that kill one or two.

The Israelis really just expect the Pals to go away and give them the 'ancient lands of Israel' (lets not even start on the historical lulz that brings up)... and let's not forget the Pals don't actually exist. They are made of string and paper.

[Fragony]

Bye rest in pieces hope it hurts like hell, they have had their chance but they just can't help shooting rockets. tada.

[KukriKhan]

The complaint is that Israel uses airplanes to deliver their munitions, when they should limit themselves, in retaliatory attacks, to land-based mortars and rockets ala their opponents?

In the spirit of 'fair play', I suppose.

[naut]

I love the Middle East. It's like a classic Sitcom, two housemates, fundementally the same and yet so different. Always bound to fight and squabble as the world watches on.

Huzzah I say! Makes for some entertaining TV.

[/Tongue Firmly in Cheek]

[Marshal Murat]

The complaint is that Israel uses airplanes to deliver their munitions, when they should limit themselves, in retaliatory attacks, to land-based mortars and rockets ala their opponents?

In the spirit of 'fair play', I suppose.

'fair play'? Israel's using what she's got. I admit it's a little bit of overkill, but it'd be like the All Blacks playing without McCaw, Sivivatu, and Nonu. It might be "fair play", but that wouldn't be an interesting match.

[Hosakawa Tito]

The complaint is that Israel uses airplanes to deliver their munitions, when they should limit themselves, in retaliatory attacks, to land-based mortars and rockets ala their opponents?

In the spirit of 'fair play', I suppose.

Yeah, here's two the Israelis didn't get a chance at...

[tibilicus]

Fair enough it's retaliation for mortar attacks but come on, those mortars are hardly capable of killing any one on a big scale, that's in comparison the F 15's dropping much bigger bombs. And by blocking of aid that's just targeting innocent civilians.

If you listen to what Hamas are saying there not going any where, the only people being hurt by Israel's actions are the innocent Palestinians and with every bomb that is dropped more people decide to take up arms and fight Israel. These air strikes will do nothing other than escalate an already dire situation.

It leads you to ask though with Israel's new policies on Bedouin settlers in it's country and it's continuous attacks on the Palestinian people are we seeing the complete dispelling of Arabs and Muslims from a land which they held and have claim to far longer than any Jewish settlers. the best solution would be for Israel to agree to the original 1947 U.N partition borders. If they were attacked then I wouldn't have as much of a problem as I do now but the fact they've gone past these borders and still continue to inflict so much misery on the people of Palestine simply disgusts me.

[Hax]

Bye rest in pieces hope it hurts like hell, they have had their chance but they just can't help shooting rockets. tada.

They. All the Palestinians?

Why not put them all under a nice shower while you're at it?

[LeftEyeNine]

A number of topping 200 is killed. So, what's out there to justify ? I'm interested.

[tibilicus]

"Hamas' continued rocket attacks into Israel must cease if the violence is to stop. Hamas must end its terrorist activities if it wishes to play a role in the future of the Palestinian people.

"The United States urges Israel to avoid civilian casualties as it targets Hamas in Gaza."

That's a quote from a whitehouse spokesmen. All be it no one is at all surprised by the US bias towards Israel.

So when the Palestinians fire mortars it's a disgusting act of terrorism but when Israel bombs the living day lights out of them there just pursued with the careful reminder to not kill quite so many civilians.

You know maybe if the worlds super power wasn't so biased and anti Palestine the middle east peace process might actually get some where. It never will though as long as the US government continues to support and fund these Israeli raids.

[naut]

when Israel bombs the living day lights out of them there just pursued with the careful reminder to not kill quite so many civilians.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

[Crazed Rabbit]

So when the Palestinians fire mortars it's a disgusting act of terrorism but when Israel bombs the living day lights out of them there just pursued with the careful reminder to not kill quite so many civilians.

Yes, because Hamas is targeting civilians. Israel is targeting terrorists who hid among civilians.

CR

[Hax]

Yes, because Hamas is targeting civilians. Israel is targeting terrorists who hid among civilians.

So, that justifies them killing civilians in the progress?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

So, that justifies them killing civilians in the progress?

It gives them a lot more justification than Hamas gets. Makes me wonder why people defend Hamas, but I suppose insanity helps the world go down around.

[rasoforos]

200 dead and 700 wounded for 2 dead people is a bit of an unjust response...

Its also amazing how Israel, with surgical precision strikes manages to kill all overwhelmingly larger ratio of civilians than Hamas with their unguided rockets...

I dont care who is right and who is wrong, they are both wrong if you ask me. But using an f-15 instead of a IED doesn't make you any less of a terrorist.

herr adolf must be laughing his arse off from Hell. A shame for a people who were the victims of a holocaust...

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

200 dead and 700 wounded for 2 dead people is a bit of an unjust response...

At least theoretically, Israel targets specific Hamas people and locations in response to random shelling from Hamas. The methods of the former seem clumsy at best, while the latter's is evil from the start.

However, would marching into Gaza and putting a bullet in two random Palestinians be any better of a response? It would certainly be numerically equal.

Seasons greetings.

[Hax]

It gives them a lot more justification than Hamas gets. Makes me wonder why people defend Hamas, but I suppose insanity helps the world go down around.

This is not about of who has the most justification to bomb other people, it's about that they neither have justification. You don't have justification when it comes to killing innocents.

[rasoforos]

At least theoretically, Israel targets specific Hamas people and locations in response to random shelling from Hamas. The methods of the former seem clumsy at best, while the latter's is evil from the start.

However, would marching into Gaza and putting a bullet in two random Palestinians be any better of a response? It would certainly be numerically equal.

Seasons greetings.

Well it would mean 198 less dead...I like it... Ideally they would target Hamas people of course but I m asking too much now...

I dont think that logic has any place in the Israel-Arab conflict. Slaughtering hundreds of innocents as retaliation is a no-no in my book though. I condemn it as much as I will condemn the resulting suicide attack that will kill 20-30 Israelis as retaliation.

[Ronin]

can´t we just blow both sides up and call it a day?

this is getting fastidious and I really don´t care anymore to be honest....there are no "good guys" on either side of that conflict...and I have been there personally.

[Samurai Waki]

why don't we just force everyone out of Israel, and set up a giant theme park?

[Crazed Rabbit]

200 dead and 700 wounded for 2 dead people is a bit of an unjust response...

Yes, not exactly proportionate, which makes you wonder, why does Hamas launch rocket salvos in the first place? I think that's an important question every pro-intifada person needs to ask themselves.

Its also amazing how Israel, with surgical precision strikes manages to kill all overwhelmingly larger ratio of civilians than Hamas with their unguided rockets...

Larger ratio? I think not. Larger amount? It would seem so.

I dont care who is right and who is wrong, they are both wrong if you ask me. But using an f-15 instead of a IED doesn't make you any less of a terrorist.

Indeed, it is the target and intentions that make the difference.

CR

[Quietus]

I read about the supposed-to-be minimal incursion days ago, thinking 'yeah, minimal, like 10-20 dead'.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

The 200-some dead are not all civilians. According to Hamas itself, at least 140 of the dead are Hamas militants.

[CountArach]

This is sickening and utterly reprehensible. Until the US tells Israel that enough is enough and force them to recognise they are responsible for so much more than the Palestinians this will continue while the US turns a blind eye.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

This is sickening and utterly reprehensible. Until the US tells Israel that enough is enough and force them to recognise they are responsible for so much more than the Palestinians this will continue while the US turns a blind eye.

Oh, the poor oppressed Palestinian civilians being forced to kill evil Israelis who are egged on by the even more evil American Empire...

Come off it. Hamas refuses to renew a ceasefire and shells Israeli towns. Israel responds by killing (mostly) Hamas militants, and this according to Hamas.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Link to something about this?

According to Hamas itself, at least 140 of the dead are Hamas militants.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Link to something about this?

BBC:

Most of those killed were policemen in the Hamas militant movement, which controls Gaza, but women and children also died, the Gaza officials said.

Various sources:

Hamas police spokesman Ehad Ghussein said about 140 Hamas security forces were killed.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/mhsncwausngb/


http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ml_israel_palestinians/2008/12/27/165615.html

Yahoo News:

But earlier in the day, police said about 140 Hamas security forces were killed.

[Dutch_guy]

Yes, not exactly proportionate, which makes you wonder, why does Hamas launch rocket salvos in the first place? I think that's an important question every pro-intifada person needs to ask themselves.

Yeah. You'd think the thought of a couple of bomb carrying fighter planes would make one think twice, but apparently that's wishful thinking.

why don't we just force everyone out of Israel, and set up a giant theme park?

That might do the trick.

[Hax]

Indeed, it is the target and intentions that make the difference.

The road to hell is paved with "good" intentions.