Some joyous tidings from Israel

**Hooahguy** · 01-01-2009, 16:34

Originally Posted by Idaho

Israel is an apartheid state founded on ethnic cleansing.

wrong. how can it be apartheid if there are 3 arab political parties, all of which hold seats in the Knesset? Israel is the only democracy in that area. that automatically, by the definition of apartheid, makes it not an apartheid state.
im going to post a lengthy reply as to why your claim, especially the ethnic cleansing one is false.

**Tribesman** · 01-01-2009, 16:44

ignore the fact that it was an unmarked vessel, when only red cross and the like vessels are allowed in.

So to add to your lack of knowledge of Israel you add a lack of knowledge of Maritime law

**Hooahguy** · 01-01-2009, 16:51

im only un-knowledgeable about israel in your opinion. now stop the personal attacks.
according to you- everyone who disagrees with you is at a lower level, you belittle them. that is disgusting.

according to the israeli embassy spokesman, Jonathan Peled-
“We receive all aid and let it enter Gaza properly so that we can make sure that it’s only humanitarian aid and they’re not smuggling people and weapons and explosives into Gaza.”
now had it complied to make contact with the Israeli navy, then things would have been different.

**KarlXII** · 01-01-2009, 20:05

Originally Posted by hooahguy

according to the israeli embassy spokesman, Jonathan Peled-
“We receive all aid and let it enter Gaza properly so that we can make sure that it’s only humanitarian aid and they’re not smuggling people and weapons and explosives into Gaza.”
now had it complied to make contact with the Israeli navy, then things would have been different.

Good enough for me, Hail Israel!

**Idaho** · 01-01-2009, 17:51

Originally Posted by hooahguy

wrong. how can it be apartheid if there are 3 arab political parties, all of which hold seats in the Knesset? Israel is the only democracy in that area. that automatically, by the definition of apartheid, makes it not an apartheid state.
im going to post a lengthy reply as to why your claim, especially the ethnic cleansing one is false.

How come Arabs can't buy property in certain areas? How come they are prejudiced against in daily life? And how come deporting them from Israel is regularly suggested in the Knesset?

So how come the Palestinians can't vote in Israeli elections? And how come Pal land owners had their property conviscated and were denied the right to return after 1948?

**Fragony** · 01-01-2009, 17:58

Damnit Husar you could have warned me that that link contains dead cats and dogs.

I like cats and dogs.

**Hooahguy** · 01-01-2009, 18:53

Originally Posted by Idaho

How come Arabs can't buy property in certain areas?

hard to buy land from the government.... in any country.

How come they are prejudiced against in daily life?

cant really help you there. the government has no control over peoples thoughts.... i bet down in the south in the US there are racist people agaisnt blacks.

And how come deporting them from Israel is regularly suggested in the Knesset?

israels political system has many small, fringe groups, both to the far left and the far right. both kind of parties have seats in the knesset. of course you are going to get that demand. you also get the demand from the far left to withdraw to the 1948 borders. neither of which will happen.

So how come the Palestinians can't vote in Israeli elections?

because they arent citizens. israeli Palestinians can vote. the Palestinians in gaza and such cant, becasue they arent israeli.

And how come Pal land owners had their property conviscated and were denied the right to return after 1948?

um..... if you had done the research, israel offered to let 100,000 arabs back to their peoperty after the 1948 war. the arabs refused.

ill post more when i have the time on this matter.

**Tribesman** · 01-01-2009, 19:19

now stop the personal attacks.

Personal attacks ?

im only un-knowledgeable about israel in your opinion.

in my opinion eh ?
OK lets take a measure of that .
Jerusalem is a pretty core subject when it comes to topics on Palestine , its status has been a real big issue since the creation of the state was first proposed .
Yet you managed to claim not only that it is Israeli but that it is the capital and is recognised as such by everyone apart from a few arabs .
That really suggests very strongly that you are very very unknowledgeable about Israel

And as for the lack of knowledge of maritime law , well thats easy , the incident was 90 miles off the coast and well out of Israels jurisdiction , Israels actions were so illegal that several countries have issued formal protests to the Knesset from their embassies in Tel-Aviv .

**Kralizec** · 01-01-2009, 17:55

Originally Posted by hooahguy

wrong. how can it be apartheid if there are 3 arab political parties, all of which hold seats in the Knesset? Israel is the only democracy in that area. that automatically, by the definition of apartheid, makes it not an apartheid state.
im going to post a lengthy reply as to why your claim, especially the ethnic cleansing one is false.

Wether the explusion of 1948 was premeditated by the Israeli leaders of the time, I can't say- but to say that they left completely of their own accord and voluntarily refused citizenship is bogus.

The Palestinians on the occupied west bank have no political rights while yet many of them are completely dependent on work in Israel proper or near the illegal settlements. Many Israeli small business exploit this, while the authorities only fight it by targetting those who cross the borders in order to work for a living. The Arab citizens in Israel are a token minority, and they're only tolerated on the condition that they'll never be a majority of the citizens- as soon as their numbers have grown substantially, expect the reactionary parties in the Knesset to become more popular.

**Hooahguy** · 01-01-2009, 19:01

Originally Posted by Fenring

Wether the explusion of 1948 was premeditated by the Israeli leaders of the time, I can't say- but to say that they left completely of their own accord and voluntarily refused citizenship is bogus.

The Palestinians on the occupied west bank have no political rights while yet many of them are completely dependent on work in Israel proper or near the illegal settlements. Many Israeli small business exploit this, while the authorities only fight it by targetting those who cross the borders in order to work for a living. The Arab citizens in Israel are a token minority, and they're only tolerated on the condition that they'll never be a majority of the citizens- as soon as their numbers have grown substantially, expect the reactionary parties in the Knesset to become more popular.

it wasnt entirely an expulsion. the Arab High Council (i think that was the correct, i forget) in 1948 before israel was created, ordered palestinians to get out, since the invading armies were about to come in. so they left, expecting to return after the victorious arab armies defeated israel. but the arabs lost, so the palestinians never returned. we offered to let back in 100,000 arabs, back to their homes, but the AHC refused the offer.

about the palestinians going over to work and still cant vote-
its like with illigal immigrants here in the US. they come here to work and cant vote- b/c they arent citizens. its sad that buisness owners take advantage, but then again, i think they got thier revenge with last summers bulldozer attacks.