Some joyous tidings from Israel

**rory_20_uk** · 01-03-2009, 12:49

Let me get this straight:

Airstrikes OK
Artillery OK
Rockets TERRORIST!
Suicide bombs - eeeeevil!!!

It's as though if you want to indiscriminately kill people there are things one just doesn't do... unsurprisingly the "allowed" methods are high tech and are not available to Hamas. Perhaps if we gave them some howitzers and shells suddenly it'd be a proper fight.

Why is killing a child worse than killing an adult? Most adults just want to live a relatively quiet life, raise kids etc etc. Killing a mother or father will shatter just as many lives.

**InsaneApache** · 01-03-2009, 14:18

It seems to me that if you don't want your own women and kids killed then stop firing rockets at Israeli schools and day care centres. Simple really.

**rory_20_uk** · 01-03-2009, 14:27

But it's not your own is it? It's people nearby, who if they didn't see you fire the rockets won't be ready for the artillery shells coming back.

The people responsible for the strikes on both sides are mostly shielded from the responses.

**Tribesman** · 01-03-2009, 15:11

It seems to me that if you don't want your own women and kids killed then stop firing rockets at Palestinian schools and day care centres. Simple really.

Works both ways don't it .

**InsaneApache** · 01-03-2009, 16:43

Works both ways don't it

Who started it then? Doh! The evil Israelis of course, going over to Palestine, taking all the jobs and women.

Anyway I would have thought that left leaning members would be overjoyed at the results of unregulated mass immigration.

**Guildenstern** · 01-03-2009, 16:59

I'm more concerned over whether Israel's response will (a) stop Hamas from firing these rockets, and/or (b) further Israel's long-term security.

The results of previous Israeli military strikes into Palestinian territory suggest that (a) is generally not true, at least outside the very short term. Israeli politics suggests that no one has any clue whether anything Israel is doing will achieve or harm (b).

I think Israel should consider why international opinion seems to be swinging against it, and take steps to counter that swing, in addition to or instead of military actions like this.

**Fragony** · 01-03-2009, 17:59

Originally Posted by Guildenstern

I'm more concerned over whether Israel's response will (a) stop Hamas from firing these rockets, and/or (b) further Israel's long-term security.

The results of previous Israeli military strikes into Palestinian territory suggest that (a) is generally not true, at least outside the very short term. Israeli politics suggests that no one has any clue whether anything Israel is doing will achieve or harm (b).

I think Israel should consider why international opinion seems to be swinging against it, and take steps to counter that swing, in addition to or instead of military actions like this.

Assuming this is really about land but it isn't, this is a religious conflict. Never will never stop they are too allah-crazed, as we have seen. They already had peace but they can't control theirselves the need to kill is too strong and the need to kill will always be too strong. Just because the media is turning on them doesn't mean people are, our quality media are predictably enough united in prayer channeling their negative energy towards Israel and the lefties are predictably enough mentally blocking the thousands of rockets that fell on Israel (I don't think their brain is able to deal with such facts, you can tell them about it but they will point out that you can't handle the truth) and calling for a third intifada but it really pays to read the comments below the articles.

**Idaho** · 01-03-2009, 18:38

Originally Posted by InsaneApache

It seems to me that if you don't want your own women and kids killed then stop firing rockets at Israeli schools and day care centres. Simple really.

2 points to make here:

Firstly there was a ceasefire which stopped when one side launched a bombing raid killing 6 people on the 3rd November. I wonder which side launched that raid?

Secondly how many are innocents are killed in total by each side in these raids - and what justification is there for collective punishment?

**Husar** · 01-03-2009, 15:02

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Why is killing a child worse than killing an adult? Most adults just want to live a relatively quiet life, raise kids etc etc. Killing a mother or father will shatter just as many lives.

I agree with that. And the rest of the post but I accidentally deleted that.

**Tribesman** · 01-04-2009, 23:31

I did not understand, do you think the sources aren't valid?

If what you posted is as you say a reason not to support Hamas then by definition as Fatah were still doing it last year it is a reason not to support Fatah , yet Israel and the US decided to support and arm Fatah .
There is a pattern isn't there, while Fatah were getting elected they were the nasty people that couldn't be dealt with and must be got rid of , now Hamas is elected they are the nasty people that cannot be dealt with and must be got rid of .

oh, i am so sorry that it was the quickest site i could find the text of UNr2142....

Ever thought of trying the UN site ?
Oh of course , that would be a case of .....

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!
i cannot belive you are actually using Al-UN, a well-known anti-semetic and anti-zionist media outlet!